Talk:Kumato

The article reads like it was written by a patent attorney. It doesn't say enough about what a kumato actually is. Is it a tomato / kumara hybrid? Does it make kumara roots? How does it taste? Any special features? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.143.24 (talk) 01:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Kumato
Article reads like an ad, "Kumato" is a trademark name. -Artificial Silence (talk) 12:16, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Doesn't seem to read like an ad. No extraordinary claims about the cultivar, just statements of facts of how its growth is regulated. Needs more reliable sources, which are available, but doesn't seem to be an advert. Rkitko (talk) 03:25, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Here is information about hybrid tomatoes not producing true to type offspring http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/archives/parsons/vegetables/seed.html

Also here is a source naming the Kumato as a hybrid http://www.kumato.com/en/all-rights-reserved.aspx

I am not too familiar with wikipedia editing so I hope someone finds this information useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.40.209 (talk) 05:06, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

One wonders why they bothered ! I bought some this week and they are tasteless ! No wonder Lidl were reducing the price to get rid of them ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterDRG (talk • contribs) 15:04, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Dulcinea
"The introduction of Kumato into the marketplace has spurred the interest of both consumers and plant breeders alike. Dulcinea has through a similar growing club concept introduced the Rosso Bruno tomato..."

There doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia page for the Dulcinea named here. The link presently goes to the Don Quixote character.

76.102.126.108 (talk) 03:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Have changed to disambiguation page; issue needs clarification because DE wikipedia says Dulcinea is a Syngenta subsidiary and 'Rosso Bruno' is simply the US trade name for 'Kumato'. ES wikipedia seems to imply (it is mostly copied from the 'Kumato' factsheet) that 'Rosso Bruno' is a comparable cultivar bred in parallel from the same stock, essentially identical to 'Kumato' but adapted to the local grower's climate. Basically two F1 hybrid strains with marginally different parentage. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 16:53, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Unintentional Bias ('hacker' point of view)
The article is currently not subdivided into sections, but after the brief intro paragraph rambles on about the unavailability of the cultivar Olmeca F1 to the public. It goes on to be principally a discussion about Syngenta marketing this as a Club Grower product. The public is obviously not excluded from buying Kumatoes. According to them it is to insure it is grown according to standard and guarantees pure seed. This Grow Club concept is not unique to the Kumato, but appears in other commercial tomatoes today, such as Santa Sweets' grape tomato, and Monsanto has varieties as well that are commercialized by trademark, such as Zima. Sheesh, that's what trademarks are for!

In my opinion it is a mistake to use this wiki entry principally as a soapbox (as it is currently written) to be an entry about varieties currently marketed under the "club concept"), and single out Syngenta. That "club concept" growing is obviously another page that should be a wiki entry in its own right.  I think the problem is that this entry is influenced too heavily with input by tomato obsessed that simply want to grow it.  There are a few people in tomato forums that discuss the seeds, or replanting seeds from store bought kumatoes, but it really is very minimal in the scheme of things.  That was mostly 8 years ago and their interests have waned, as many believe there are many better 'black' tomatoes that can be grown, though new members enter all the time so it doesn't go away.

The overwhelming millions of people that would look up Kumato are not looking to buy seeds, but just consumers curious about the variety, its pedigree, that it isn't GMO, its history, its properties, that is is sweet before getting completely ripe for example, that it has long shelf life, that anthocyanins/chlorophyll give it its dark color, its nutritional value, its marketing claims, etc. none of which are covered in anything but the most superficial mention.

My complaint with this article is that most first assume it is about the variety. Kumato is a trademark, as the article explains, not the variety itself, but although that is clear, the article goes inconsistently to confuse a variety with a trademark and business interests. I think facts about what is known about the cultivar should be listed under Olmeca F1 and a brief Kumato page could then be maintained with a link to Olmeca, or just a redirect of Kumato to Olmeca F1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.129.171 (talk) 18:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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