Talk:Kunda culture

Kunda is not descended from Swiderian
The idea that Kunda -- as well as other "Post-Swiderian" cultures such as Butovo and Veretye -- is descended from the Terminal Paleolithic Swiderian culture of Poland is based on the use by both of tanged points. However, the mode of manufacturing those points and the technology of manufacturing blades in general is totally different. Swiderian points are made on bidirectional cores reduced with direct soft percussion, where a blank is "set up" with lateral removals from both directions and the cutting edges of the blade are the natural feather edges of the blank; only the tang is retouched into shape. The "meeting point" of the previous removals from opposite directions (on the dorsal surface of the blank) is in the middle of the blank, where it is thickest. "Post-Swiderian" points, including Kunda points, are made on prismatic blades removed by pressure from unidirectional conical or subconical cores. Both the tang and the tip are retouched, the latter with invasive ventral retouch, which is never seen on Swiderian points. "Post-Swiderian" points show no traces of opposite removals on the dorsal surface and their thickest part is close to the tang, which is at the proximal end of the original blade blank. Pressure debitage, producing very symmetrical and thin blades with small platform remnants nearly at right angles with the dorsal surface and removed from unidirectional conical cores, is typical of all "Post-Swiderian" cultures and probably derives from the east. Swiderian, like other Magdalenian-based (i.e., western) Late Paleolithic cultures and their descendants (e.g., Ahrensburg, Fosna-Hensbacka etc.) used direct soft percussion, which produced asymmetrical blades with large platform remnants at relatively acute angles, usually from bidirectional cores. These two technological traditions are totally different, and it is highly unlikely that either develped from the other.--Death Bredon (talk) 11:30, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Because Uralic/IE is out of question for Kunda, as both of them came a bit later.
 * Technological tradition differences is the reason why culture is not named as the one preceding it. What really bothered me about those all ancient cultures, was that they used flint. And here is a BIG hint for you - there is no flint in Baltic region(which was mostly sandy seabed during Ice age) to make tools, so other materials had to be used. Maybe, just maybe that is THE reason why those tools differ from original Swiderian culture.195.147.206.144 (talk) 04:51, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Genetics update
I started a summary of the meanwhile appeared newer literature which is more informative than the long-winded details. Please accept that I have not the time to enter the complete literature.HJJHolm (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2021 (UTC)