Talk:Kundalini syndrome/Archive 1

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This article is a "copy and paste" from the article on Kundalini. It can therefore not be considered to be original material. Also, it is a "copy and paste" of an old edit of the Kundalini article material, and not the current edit. The phenomenon called Kundalini syndrome is already discussed in the article on Kundalini. I am therefore substituting the "copy-pasted" material with a shorter edit. --80.239.22.238 17:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The current edit from the Kundalini article has been moved here and the Kundalini syndrome section has been stubified. --Calibas 17:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ye sit is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smith Jones (talk • contribs) 03:56, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

This article has lost many of the original references (in the reference section) during the move (June 30, 2007) from the Kundalini-article. Many of the notes, which earlier corresponded to references, is no longer supported by a reference. This is a problem for the article. --129.241.71.175 (talk) 10:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC) Bold text

Citation tags
I removed a couple of the tags, if you have a problem with this page either add Fact tags to the specific part or tell us why on the talk page. Calibas 04:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Writers ending with "-on"
Most of the article is built upon the studies by three men Greyson, Kason and Scotton. More sources are needed, otherwise the article should specify that the theory of "Kundalini Syndrome" is attributed primarily to these authors, perhaps even splitting the article into sections for each author's opinion on the subject. S facets 04:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Physio-Kundalini syndrome - Kundalini-experience/awakening
First let me say there is nothing wrong with the inclusion of "side effects" in this article. Although acolytes of Kundalini Yoga believe powerful supernatural forces cause the mental problems associated with this Yoga form they correctly record psychiatric outcomes of this exposure. Prana is essentially a belief in magic. There are no powerful supernatural forces.

Didn't you already suspect that waving your arms and legs about while performing Yoga poses in exercise groups didn't call up miracle cures.

My five year website psychology project argues that by simple observation you can correlate the serious mental problems to a little known phenomenon of human physiology, which caused mental breaks in unprotected business offices.

This is not welcomed information. It discloses that the elaborate Kundalini belief system is cultural invention to explain the psychiatric symptoms Subliminal Distraction exposure causes. This was developed over more than 5000 years.

Information about the problem with physiology appears in first semester college level psychology courses under psychophysics. I don't have a citation for you. Someone who teaches this level psychology course should be able to supply that.

Another source of this information would be those who teach Design as it relates to "Systems Furniture."

There are no citations or references in mental health or medicine for this problem. Those disciplines are unaware of this phenomenon or that mental breaks ever happened in business offices caused by repeated triggering of the vision startle reflex.

There should be little reference to "mental disorders" of the DSM. Those are names given to observed behaviors and change at the whim of the voting membership of the American Psychiatric Association. The DSM freely admits that there is no knowledge of causation for them.

VisionAndPsychosis.Net is a collection of links and articles about Subliminal Distraction, the name of the phenomenon outside the United States. Here the phrase 'Cubicle Level Protection' identifies it. Information will be posted on the Kundalini Yoga Psychotic Episode page as the site is updated. You are welcomed to use that information as it is posted.

Although my site has copyright you may use information with proper citation

L K Tucker 69.1.46.140 (talk) 04:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Interesting OR, but how does subliminal visual distraction apply to those who seek and find kundalini sensations at home, in an empty room, with their eyes shut? I'm not convinced it does. K2709 (talk) 20:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

IMO that is the weirdest and most disjointed train of logic (BS) I've heard on this subject in a while.66.65.62.138 (talk) 18:59, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Psychosomoatic
"This psychosomatic arousal and excitation is believed to occur in connection with prolonged, intensive spiritual or contemplative practice, such as meditation or yoga[10] [11] [12], or a near-death experience [13] [14], or as a result of an intense personal crisis or experience."

Is this asserting that kundalini syndrome is purely psychosomatic?--71.198.176.133 (talk) 04:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Kundalini Syndrome- experiences
I find this article highly well studied and documented, however it takes the pure angle from psychiatry and is not written through actual experience of those who practice forms of kundalini stimulation and may have experienced the syndrome itself. Like someone writing profusely on the theory of headaches without ever actually having one...and deciding thus that headaches are not real!

Although I did attempt to insert references of a highly respected teacher with over 50,000 students worldwide, it sees the comments were soon removed. This only demonstrates to me the lack of willingness to consider both sides of the story.

Though the school I refer to is Reiki Tummo as taught by Irmansyah Effendi of Indonesia. Other Yoga groups such as Sahaja Yoga also practice aspects of awakening kundalini as well as the Kundalini yoga traditions as depicted in the main article. The purpose in introducing Effendis system was purely to provide an avenue of help to anyone suffering this affliction and allowing those in pain the choice to seek help where medicine will disclaim it forthright.(GDL) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.246.20.172 (talk) 13:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Greetings - I noticed that your reference was removed, and it appears that the person who removed it does not have a neutral point of view (NPOV) given the comments in the history section. This article needs a fair amount of rewriting, as it is difficult to read.  I saw your reference, and (before it was deleted) believed that perhaps a new section specifically for places that people can go to in order to receive assistance should be created to list such organizations. I do not have the time to do so at the moment, though I have been a technical writer/editor for the past 25+ years and would like to give this article a thorough restructuring.  It may be a little while yet, though I will be sure to research your suggestion that Reiki Tummo would indeed be of assistance to people who are experiencing this situation.  I have known many of the kundalini researchers personally - including Dr. Lee Sannella when he was alive - and agree with you that more needs to be added to this article. Of course, you are always welcome to add it in again anytime, and I would suggest considering the format of a new heading, perhaps "Kundalini syndrome resources", with an introductory paragraph and a very brief description of the system.--Cminard (talk) 18:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

'Words from China'
The 'Words from China' section contains a single citation, to a source that seems mostly anecdotal; perhaps worse, most of what's written isn't talked about in the source article. It also reads like an advertisement ('Why Qigong Psychosis' sounds like a brochure title), is incredibly defensive, and doesn't really make reference to Kundalini Syndrome. The Qigong article says what this section says in fewer words and in an encyclopaedic format.

Thus, I'm going to delete this section; I feel it's misleading and, in this state, unrelated. --Marco Passarani (talk) 00:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Symptomatology
"dilated pupils, insomnia, intense curiousity, depressed appetite, (A personal observed experience during kundalini practice with no psychiatric diagnosis or drug use) [17]"

Which of these symptoms are supported by the Pringle (1998) ref., and which ones are from personal experience? I would suggest keeping only those symptoms which are supported by a reference. I am removing these symptoms from the text until we can establish which ones that are supported by the Pringle ref..--Hawol (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

References; Grof and Goel
Possible re-write--> ''According to some commentators it is not recommended to treat or suppress Kundalini symptoms with the tools of western medicine. Grof noted that suppressing kundalini's side effects with psychiatric medicine could be very unfortunate .''

These suggestions, from Grof and Goel, needs to be included with a more precise citation and page reference. I'm putting them here on the talk page until we have a more elaborate referencing.--Hawol (talk) 17:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)