Talk:Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness season 3

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Episodes 72 to 79
All of these episodes (season 3 episodes 20-27) aired on YTV from 2pm-6pm (14:00-18:00) on Saturday 23 January 2016. Someone removed this information, wrongly calling it fake. I know it to be true because I recorded them and verified that the titles advertised on the guide and written my PVR correspond to the actual broadcast episodes. If the video at https://vid. me/ZFy7 is not enough convincing I also took some screenshots of the title cards, both on their own (for legibility) and overlaid with the description which includes "Original air date" and the specific recording time, as well as the following 'written by' and 'directed by' pages. These can be associated with the title by the common unique backdrop each episode is given behind the text being the same. You can affirm this information at https://imgur.com/a/MQslZ if skeptical and assuming bad faith still.

Episode 71 also aired sometime during late 2015, I remember watching it, but unfortunately deleted it from my PVR after doing so. I am hoping you can assume good faith in regard to that. If it reruns I will check what the original air date is listed as being and improve the information. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 20:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Number conflict
I just checked YTV On Demand via Bell and Emperors Rule Part 1 is being listed as S.01 E.64 instead of episode 72. Could this reflect a production code in some way? I notice the code we have listed for it is 312, which is less than its preceding episode 71 "The First Five" listed as 321. Could there be both season-respective production codes which can differ from season-respective air date based numbering and series-overall respective production codes which can differ from air date-based numbering?

I double-checked and it is also listed a E.64 on YTV On Demand via Rogers TV too see http://web.archive.org/web/20160127205621/http://www.rogersondemand.com/OnDemand/Show/kung_fu_panda?lang=en I find sometimes that OnDemand numbers tend to match up with production codes more than the numbers we see assigned based on debut dates on Wikipedia so that's why I'm thinking it may be the 64th produced even if it was the 72nd aired.

Oh yeah and, that also serves as additional evidence that Emperors Rule has aired. The other ones after it did too but YTV has not put them on demand yet. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 20:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

January 23 times
I added the times these aired to establish they aired in that order but this got removed due to WP:NOTTVGUIDE but I think they are useful for distinguishing the order when things air on the same date. Normally would not put them in if it was a one episode a week thing. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 04:10, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Episode numbering
According to policy, are we supposed to originally research episode numbers on the basis of the debut dates we discover, or should we defer to the numbering assigned by distributors even if it does not conform to the air order?

Like for example if I have a TV show that airs monthly and the January 2019 episode is "episode 2: the apple" and the February 2019 episode is "episode 1: the orange" would we list 1) apple 2) orange or 1) orange 2) apple ?

One example that comes to mind for this problem is List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes which has a rather impression chart assigning different numberings on different bases. Season 2 is the most straightforward: the numbers reflect the TV debut order and then the different order they had on DVD release. The first (numbering based on air date) would be the OR aspect (us declaring an episode to be numbered something based on what seems right, in respect to our timeline) and the second would be the RS aspect (the assigning of numbers reflecting the actual organization and assigned numbers on a physical product).

I provided some cites from how LoA is distributed OnDemand which assigns specific numbers to episodes. In this case it uses 'season 1' (does not bother to split to season 3) giving an overall numbering which conflicts with some of the numbers here. Due to that, I listed these numbers and requested cites for the ones we had displayed before, which might be OR.

Haruhi's S1 section also has other stuff like representing in-universe chronological order of episodes, but I don't know if that's something feasible with KFP. While we can certainly establish some episode arcs as occuring before others by back-referencing, the existence of a lot of 1-shot stories unlinked to others would make it difficult to nail everything down. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 12:14, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

4 eps in 2015
So here we are arguing about whether to include the January 2016 early air dates on YTV from Canada or to defer to the later February 2016 air dates on Nick in the US when I discovered something about a portion of the episodes:


 * Ep 27 Po the Croc New! First Aired: 1/15/2015
 * Ep 26 Camp Ping New! First Aired: 1/14/2015
 * Ep 25 Forsaken and Furious New! First Aired: 1/13/2015
 * Ep 23 Goose Chase New! First Aired: 1/11/2015

These have individual pages which I am archiving and citing. They are easy enough to view live although I do notice some weird popup if you view the archive, but it should still be possible to 'vie source' to get at the data if need be due to java restrictions. I could otherwise cite it as 'subscription only' I guess, although it seems possible to view non-subscription so long as you are doing it live and not through an archive.

In addition to earlier dates (I will keep the Canadian air dates as it may be useful to distinguish between when an episode first becomes available online versus when it first becomes broadcast on a network) this also suggests different official numbering from the episodes.

I believe the numbers we currently assigned are based on OR, assumptions based on air dates rather than actual official numbering, as explained in the above section. Let's keep in mind folks that FutonCritic and CoCatalog do not assign numbers, they only communicate production codes. Zap2it is prone to making assumptions about what number an episode is, just as it is prone to making assumptions about debut dates. I believe it only reports US air dates (ignoring earlier dates that may occur from a show debuting first in another nation) or online air dates, and assigns numbers based on its known dates. A conflicting number from a distributor should over-ride it. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 14:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

2602:306:c5e4:24a0
I'm not sure what else to call you but this is the recurring consistent aspect of your IP so I'll go with that. I left a message at User talk:2602:306:C5E4:24A0:ADB9:C135:B46D:C2AA regarding your claim that we should only display US dates in spite of it having debuted earlier in Canada/Germany.

if you haven't yet changed your IP on 'an hourly basis (is this some kind of mobile device feature? you using a tablet?) you accused me of claiming this was "my page" by saying "this is not your page per WP:OWN".

I do not understand how you perceive this, did I ever claim to own the article? I am making the edits which seem right: the ones I am citing.

You are quick to page attention to OWN when it comes to making false accusations against others, but quick to ignore the Template:episode list instructions on how to fill out the OriginalAirDate field.

That's great that Nicktoons US is finally showing the episodes. Unfortunately they waited to long: those airings can no longer be OriginalAirDate because OAD belongs to Germany, so far as the sources show. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 18:48, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

International air dates
In these edits I removed the column for international broadcast dates. There was never any discussion about the inclusion of this content, and there is no provision for the introduction of this content in MOS:TV. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. If this information is to be included, a local consensus needs to be established first, and until that time, community consensus prevails. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:56, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

a major reason I can see for its conclusion is to recognize when the first English air date (due to us being an English wiki) is for the last 7 episodes whose original air dates were in German.

Manual_of_Style/Television:
 * a brief summary of the plot (100–200 words; upwards of 350 words for complex storylines) is applicable, along with a list of the writers, directors, airdates, episode title and episode number

MOSTV appears to support the inclusion of multiple dates, as does the presence of AltDate in the template. Where are you seeing MOS indicating we should only include one date?

Manual_of_Style/Television also doesn't say anything about avoiding the use of AltDate, it simply says not to include "every channel the series appears on". This wasn't what I was doing. AltDate content was being used to document either the first English date (in the case of German debut) or the first known international debut, which is the next most notable date.

I don't see anything about needing consensus to add this column, I think we are invited to be bold and add content like that. Obviously it would be desirable to have if you're taking it down and I want to add it back though. I want to better understand your objections to it. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 22:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * - While yes, you are encouraged to be bold, if you add content and someone objects to it, it still requires consensus to be included. It's also always wise to seek out consensus before making a big change like this so you can save yourself the work in the event it is opposed. The series appears to have aired primarily in the US first, with the exception of a handful of dates in S3. We don't need a unique column to resolve this issue. The simplest approach is add a simple note underneath the plot summaries for episodes that may have premiered elsewhere first. Example:


 * Tracking the Canadian air date of a series that is not Canadian makes no sense to me. There's nothing particularly noteworthy about that, and I don't see why on-demand availability would be noteworthy. Just seems to clutter up the table. What makes sense to me is: Log the original US air date as we always do for a US series, and add as a note the first airing internationally if and only if it came before the US air date. That would be noteworthy. This plan also keeps our episode table formats consistent visually with the other tables in the series. And as usual, you are always free to seek input from WikiProject Television. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:28, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * You should not falsely put a 2016 date as "original air date" and put the actual ORIGINAL air date from 2014 as a footnote. It would be the other way around. First broadcast takes priority over first broadcast in country of origin if they are not the same. I would suggest if you want to restore your 2016 alt dates in the US that you do so in Alt Date or a footnote.
 * 2016 US dates are also not particularly notable considering they are not the first English broadcasts. The first English-language broadcasts happened in Canada. The US debuts were the 2nd English debuts. They are tertiary at best. 64.231.169.3 (talk) 16:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

You have to know that the original airdate box is for US dates only on this page, and if you want to put in German airdates, Canadian airdates, or other international airdates, please use footnotes, or AltDate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:184:E600:8A63:DFFF:FE96:6313 (talk) 00:42, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Episode 62
On Episode 62, Po Picks a Pocket, the character Sanzu, who is a pangolin, is incorrectly identified as an armadillo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotVeryCleverUsername (talk • contribs) 20:22, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2016
Please add back the correct American airdates. An IP and a registered user don't want them on there for 9 episodes. 2 are wrong American airdates and 7 have German airdates only, no American airdates at all. Correct The First Five to June 8, 2016 (listed as June 29, 2014), and Emperors Rule to June 29, 2016 (listed as September 5, 2014). Those users don't want the German airdates removed from the Original airdate box, and add the American airdates for Youth in Revolt (February 15, 2016), See No Weevil (June 15, 2016), Goose Chase (February 19, 2016), Face Full of Fear (June 22, 2016), Forsaken and Furious (February 16, 2016), Camp Ping (February 18, 2016), and Po the Croc (February 17, 2016). Reference the American airdates with the Futon Critic. Please put US in parentheses next to the American airdates, and Germany in parentheses next to the German airdates. Put Germany in parentheses next to the end date of January 7, 2015, and include the American end date of June 29, 2016.

2600:8801:184:E600:8A63:DFFF:FE96:6313 (talk) 21:00, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I believe we should put the earliest air date (the actual debut) for an episode. This is the German dates for the episodes you're talking about.
 * I am not opposed to prominent featuring of the US dates though. I'm for a 'let's include as much data as possible' approach. The German dates which happened first should still be the primary dates, but there are three possible compromises here:


 * 1) Insert a line break and add the English-original (Canada) and production-country-original (US) dates below on new lines.
 * 2) As above but put these in a new AltDate= column
 * 3) As above but put these in footnotes
 * US air dates are not considered the overall original airdate for a series if an episode first debuted earlier in another nation. 64.231.169.3 (talk) 18:32, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  17:51, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 20:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Unless someone can come up with a compelling reason not to, I am included to rollback to the version with the U.S. airdates – that is standard practice at TV series episode lists as far as I can tell: to list the airdates for the "country of origin" regardless of whether or not certain episodes "premiered" in other countries first. The fact about certain episode premiering in Germany first can, and should, be mentioned in the article text, rather than be listed in the table. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Summary sourcing
re your removal of summary information at special:diff/730755522 I think we should add this back. Episode summaries are generally just written by Wikipedians based on watching the episode (the source being the episode itself). A primary source is fine for doing basic data like which villains appear in the episode. We would only need to rely on additional secondary sources to interpret information. Like for example "which villain was the most dangerous" or something like that, which I don't see done in the information you removed.

Are you actually saying you know any of this information to be false, or have reason to disbelieve it? The 'villains' label is just part of these summaries. Not the prettiest but not necessarily false. Seems to match up with the prose that exists in some of them. Ranze (talk) 07:38, 7 September 2016 (UTC)