Talk:Kunicon

Controversy
Removed: Further, some disputes over the attendance numbers of the first Kunicon in Miami, Florida were made by the owner of an established site that reviews and photographs conventions in the area. This attendance controversy is discussed on thier site at Rising Sun. There is also a small LiveJournal community dedicated to boycotting Kunicon, formed by an ex-employee. A derisive name, UsoCon, is being applied to it in these circles. "Uso" is a Japanese term for "liar."

The above is my edited version of the original content. I had made an attempt to clean this clean this up to make it more NPOV while researching the statements made, but since I now find them to be centered around personal grievances of a few individuals, and their band of followers (not to say that there are not other disgruntled attendees, but they are in the minority, by far) This doesn't seem like it really belongs on an encyclopedic page. Since nobody is monitoring this page anyway, I've taken it upon myself to try and fix it. I'm no writer, I did what I could. --68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

To the original author of the [ version before my edits], I get the impression you are seeking not to present facts, but to slant the facts in a particular direction. If you would like to discuss what facts warrant including in this article and how best to present them, I recommend that you present your suggestions here on the talk page. --68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: comment: Past and future Kunicon conventions - The site is offline, the rest is just conjecture. It is not conjecture. Manny has admitted the forums were frozen after Kunicon, Miami 2004 and the blame was laid on the previous sysadmin in the Kunicon forums (which I have archived offline). Furthermore, the blame on the current systems admin (though less direct) was stated on Manny's livejournal. It's not conjecture if the information comes straight from the party in question. -- Nijyo 9/21/2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijyo (talk • contribs) 03:00, September 23, 2005 (UTC)

Expansion and re-insertion
This article is not intended to spin Kunicon to the desires of the staff who plan and run it, nor the attendees disappointed by it. Rather, it is intended to be (as is Wikipedia in general) a verbose accounting of data and events around the topic. Kunicon has generated a fair amount of controversy, so to remove links that give accounting of this ongoing subject is disingenuous, to say the least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijyo (talk • contribs) 08:19, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Relevance
This is what a wiki page for an anime convention should look like Anime Boston

Wikipedia pages are a place for facts, not for your differences with the con or it's staff to be announced. There is no evidence to back either your claims nor the con's claims. This is all hearsay without documentation, and it is therefore non-encyclopedic. This is not what a wiki article is supposed to be, until you can learn to present unbiased facts in an encyclopeidia format you should refrain from contributing. (and no, I am NOT manny)

Wikipedia is an Encyclopiedia, See a Definition of a wikipiedia entry: Wikipedia --68.209.108.64 05:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually it's an Encyclopedia, but yes, otherwise that's right. &mdash; J I P | Talk 06:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is full of entries that make references to speculation. None of the claims in this article are even remotely intended to be documented facts, and are instead there to bring light to one of the overwhelming aspects of Kunicon, especially its internet presence- mainly, the controversy surrounding it. If Wikipedia is only to be a place of verified facts with documentation, please explain how the entries for Jesus Christ and Magic are so long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.221.252 (talk) 09:13, September 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Information derives its authenticity from the trustworthiness of its sources. Opinion, impersonating as fact, only serves to dilute the authority of a reference.--68.209.108.64 18:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There was no "opinion impersonating fact" on this article. There was a list of events reported by attendees of the convention, which were presented as such. Eyewitness accounts are not automatically opinion. As the writer of the original article, I can say I have no opinion of Kunicon except the opinion that it generates a lion's share of controversy, which I thought was prudent to discuss on the Wiki, since it was an outstanding feature of the convention, and what is the purpose of an encyclopedia other than to report the outstanding? There was no opinion in this piece, just eyewitness reports. Would you be happier if there were links to each eyewitness report, or are you still going to insist that everything that doesn't strike your fancy is automatically invalid? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.252.186 (talk) 23:47, September 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I deliberately attempted to reflect the controversy around Kunicon in my expansions and elaborations. As such, I've made liberal use of phrases such as "it seems to be" and "some say that", to reflect such.  But statements about disputes in attendance numbers and evidence of astroturfing actually reflect reality, and as such are not biased, even if they may be perceived to reflect poorly on Kunicon or members of its staff. If Anime Boston were as controversial as Kunicon, no doubt there would be reference to such in the article on it.  -- Nijyo (p.s. it's "relevance" not "relavance"; I've taken the liberty of correcting) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.48.27 (talk) 01:29, September 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Edits done updating links and fixing micheru's links were mine, sorry I forgot to log in before I submitted the edits -- Nijyo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.48.27 (talk) 01:52, September 23, 2005 (UTC)

UsoCon
The "UsoCon" joke predates Otakucon, and got attached the project by staffers within it. "UsoCon" started as a joke at our local anime club about this con we'd lie about saying we had been to so we could feel out people at cons who'd be making stuff up and didn't know anything. Hajime Yadate was usually a guest at UsoCon. There was a Otakucon staffer (as this was well before any of the name change stuff) who was in that group, we'll call him "Crow". I'm pretty sure Crow was responsible for the UsoCon moniker spreading. I had gotten involved with d20 because they wanted me to make content for them as a promotion for Otakucon. Only it wasn't supposed to be recognized as a group that was owned, affiliated, or associated with d20 and Otakucon. Even though it was named virtually the same thing, they figured fans wouldn't notice, and didn't seem to get our concerns that people would really hate us if they found this out. They also thought Otakon wouldn't be a concern, either. The deal got increasingly dodgy so we ended up just walking away once we were offered contracts that would have prevented us from attending non-d20 conventions. Not guesting, running, or that stuff, but ATTENDING non-d20 conventions was covered under the no-compete they wanted. So we left with very little faith that the cons would even start, much less become the national chain they were envisioned to be. So Crow stayed on board with d20 through the first actual con, at least, and we would often call it UsoCon amongst ourselves, calling back to the older joke. -- Secret Agent 3k2505 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.146.102.214 (talk) 21:41, March 24, 2007 (UTC)

Seth
How come Seth's not on here at all? Shouldn't the genius of "They'll never figure out OtakuCon and OtakuRadio are connected!" show up in here somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.84.119 (talk) 13:42, August 27, 2007 (UTC)