Talk:Kupala Night

Neopagan
I would say that the neopagan description applies. This holiday is still enthusiastically celebrated, by people who are not at all pagans. —Michael Z. 2006-01-10 09:42 Z 

I would say that the word "Ivan" in the name of this event is absolutelly unnecessary. This is Slavic/Baltic holiday, where the name "Ivan" is not used except Russia. So the English name of the article should be "Kupala's Day" instead of "Ivan Kupala's day" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.113.204 (talk) 03:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

date
Why is this no longer celebrated on summer solstice ? When was it moved to July 7 and why ? It seems odd. John the Baptist Day is still June 24, right ? And Korochun has not moved to January. Some explanation in the article would help. Furthermore, Yanka Kupala was born on July 7. Any relations ?? -- PFHLai 17:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I edited this entry to reflect that the date is 7 July New Style, not 7 July Old Style, as it originally said. 7 July Old Style would be 20 July New Style, which has nothing to do with midsummer or St. John, while 7 July New Style is 24 July Old Style, which is St. John's Day and a traditional midsummer holiday throughout Europe.
 * Bob99 13:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Music group
There's a music group called Ivan Kupala. See http://www.earth-rhythms.com/show_group.php?group_id=36.

Other countries
The article seems to concentrate on Russian holiday ("celebrated by Russian youth", all links etc.), although it mentions that the event is celebrated as well in Ukraine and Belorussia. The same holiday is widely celebrated in Poland, just one day earlier (Saint John's eve), in very similar way - together with floating of flower wreaths, jumping over the bonfires and legends about fern flower blooming. I understand this page is part of WikiProject Russia, but it seems likely that Kupala Day is celebrated also in other Slavic countries, and therefore would be more informative to include this information here. 140.163.254.27 (talk) 22:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)an
 * by the way, does anyone know about similar solstice celebrations in other Slavic countries?
 * In Ukraine and Belarus it's Ivan Kupala's Day too. Sometime's it's referred to as Ivanov den’, i.e. referring to Ivan and without referring to Kupala. I don't understand your Poland example, it looks like supporting the title "Ivan Kupala Day" to me. Sure it could be renamed into "St. John Kupala Day" to make it more neutral, but I think it would be too artificial. Hellerick (talk) 07:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The traditional Belarusian name of the feast is Kupalle; Ivan Kupala's Day is used by Russian-speakers. The English equivalent of the feast is Midsummer Night. Calling the article Ivan Kupala Day implies that it relates to the Russian (possibly Ukrainian as well, not sure about that) tradition specifically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nieszczarda2 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Mind your language construction
I updated the the article to improve the language. Again.

Refrain from using American teenage language.

For example, do not write

The ritual was so popular that ....

Rather, write

Due to the popularity of the ritual, ...

Try your best not to transliterate Russian phrases into English directly. However, if you cannot do so, you should not hesitate to place more facts on this article. I will check once a while to normalize the language. My apologies if my actions at improving the language might leave out some essential info. Just put them back in the style of language with which you are most comfortable. On the other hand, I hope you guys will not use hyperbole like

Sometimes, it is EVEN spelled as Ivanna. It was SO popular.

Use the word "occasionally" in place of the more colloquial "sometimes".

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 05:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Mixing up of calendars
I've mixed the calendars. I was mislead by the begin and end. On our secular modern calendar it's on 6th/7th of July. Is that correct? If true, that's how the intro should start..., because it's used by everyone. Someone shouldn't have to dig by reading about Gregorian and Julian calendars to understand why June 24 isn't the same June 24. ऋतम् (talk) 18:56, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You’re right, it is confusing for anyone not already familiar with the Orthodox Church calendar. I’ll fix it. Also the date stuff in the sidekick, which is actually really wrong at the moment.--Geke (talk) 20:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Tks, it's a lot better now. ऋतम् (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Clarifiaction of date.
Kupala Night was originally pagan holiday which was celebrated upon shortest night of the year (Everyone can check when is summer solstice, even on Wikipedia). Change from julian to gregorian calendar in Eastern Slavic countries caused following, that some Slavic countries still celebrate Kupala on the shortest night of the year: 21 June (Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia), and those countries that made recalculation according to new (julian) calendar celebrates Kupala on 6th of July (Belarus, Russia and Ukraine). According with the above, please take into consideration all of Slavic countries. Change of date between Western Slavic and Eastern Slavic countries finds the same analogy as in celebrations of christian Christmas Eve, where those that use gregorian calendar celebrate it on 25th of December (December 25: Western Christianity and part of the Eastern churches) and those who use julian calendar (Orthodox christians, Eastern Slavic countries) celebrate it on 7th of January (January 7 [O.S. December 25]: Most Oriental Orthodox and part of the Eastern Orthodox churches). Such analogy should be clear enough for all to see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reguly (talk • contribs) 16:43, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Names section
Why are names in non-Latin languages transliterated first with the Cyrillic names given as a tooltip? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Summer talk 20:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)