Talk:Kurt Angle/Archive 3

Gobshite
I searched for the term 'Gobshite" and Kurt Angle is the page that I get directed to. If I knew how to fix this, I would.  Just a friendly reminder. (Bingo Overhill 03:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Looking at the edit history of Gobshit, a user created it on March 6th as a redirect to this page. What is "Gobshite"? TJ Spyke 03:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I heard the term in an Irish film. Apparently, it means (from urbandictionary.com) "a loud-mouthed person who talks a lot, but nothing with any value - as in shite coming out of their gob", "A word of irish origin, meaning a person who blabbers on about incredibly senseless things"...You can imagine my surprise (and, I admit, some amusement) when I was redirected to the "Kurt Angle" page through a gobshite search. (Bingo Overhill 02:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

Comment:I nominated the redirect for speedy deletion. --  The  Hyb  rid  03:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks (Bingo Overhill 02:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

Daniel Puder Incident
Why was the section about the incident involving Angle and Puder removed? Puder himself already gave a statement about the incident, he admitted to locking Angle in a real submission hold, a keylock, the interview was on YouTube.
 * In the very same interview, he also said that, if the referees just left him and Kurt alone, he would have made Kurt tap and cry like a baby, he said that, or something like that, I'm not a tape recorder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.76.216.69 (talk • contribs)

Angle Lock
In the game WWE SmackDown! Here Comes The Pain, Kurt Angle's finisher is "Angle Lock" and "Angle Slam". Is it really called the "Angle Lock"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kingofgames2 (talk • contribs) 03:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC).
 * I have heard announcers call it that on occasion, but they almost always just say ankle lock. TJ Spyke 03:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

NWA Title
Despite Kurt Angle walking out of TNA Sacrifice 2007 with the NWA World Championship belt. It must be made known that this match was NOT sanctioned by the National Wrestling Alliance and TNA were stripped of the NWA titles officially hours before the PPV took place. Kurt Angle is NOT the NWA World Champion nor will he be seen as a former NWA World Champion.

Christian Cage was the last NWA World Heavyweight Champion in TNA, he since has been stripped. TNA wish to call Kurt Angle "World Heavyweight Champion" like WWE do or "TNA World Champion" but make it known he is NOT the NWA World Heavyweight Champion as the title is vacant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.56.16 (talk) 03:29, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
 * That's why I reverted it. Angle is not, and never was, the NWA Champions. WHEN TNA announces their titles, i'm sure Cage will be considered the first champ (maybe Angle first). TJ Spyke 03:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

on the TNA website Kurt is the champ so as of now he's the champ beacuse cage offically lost it in the bout as well as sting via tap out so therefore Kurt was the only person who didn't lose that match.so he has to be the champ. Mike

The NWA officially owns the NWA World Championship, so what they say about it goes. And Kurt Angle is not an NWA World Champion. L2K 15:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC) In addition to that, TNA is calling Angle simply the World Heavyweight Champion. L2K 15:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

How is Kurt Angle the 1st TNA champion? It's like Kurt Angle is physically has a belt, but isn't recognized for any promotion as THEIR champion yet. Worldunderblood 07:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Kurt is not the first champion. Christian Cage is, Angle is the 2nd (and current) champion. Check WP:PW, where link to TNA's site has it. For future reference, do not post spoilers (I have removed it from your post) as that is against WP:PW policy. TJ Spyke 08:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Will you people please shut the fuck up and stop adding Angle as being TNA champion? He is and never has been the NWA champion, and same goes for TNA champion. They are holding a tournament to decide the first TNA champion, that's exactly the words used by Cornette. So stop adding him as TNA champion cause currently no one has held that title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.114.223 (talk • contribs)
 * Cage was the first champion, then lost the title to Angle. TNA's own website said this. Stop removing the TNA title or it will be considered vandalism. TJ Spyke 23:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

On the TNA website, they say Kurt Angle was STRIPPED of the TNA World Heavyweight Title, which means he held it. At the start of IMPACT! they also had a graphic saying TNA World Heavyeight Champion, Kurt Angle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.166.62 (talk • contribs)

It's not hard to understand, Cage was the first TNA Champ, Angle was the second TNA Champ, and was stripped of the title. Title is vacant, a third TNA Champ will be crownd at Slammiversary. End of story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MC511 (talk • contribs)

Angle is a 1-time World Champ in TNA: http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/kurtangle/index.html Christian is a 3-time World Champ in TNA: http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/christiancage/index.html

US title
I'll refrain from edit warring (for now at least) and will certainly double-check the Invasion-era tapes I have, but the full name of that title certainly was "WCW United States Heavyweight Championship," and in any case the belt itself definitely still bore this name when it was used in the Invasion. Nosleep1234 18:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But the "Heavyweight" part was dropped during the invasion. WWE did the same witht the main WCW title (just calling it the WCW World Championship). TJ Spyke 02:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

First Ever TNA Champion
I just watched Sacrifice again and they NEVER announced Christain as world heavyweight champion...what they did do was announce Cage as "The defending NWA Champion" which since is untrue NO title was on the line at Sacrifice, so Cage and Angle had no title wins..But the FIRST time that the TNA world title was on the line was Slammiversary...on the pre-show Jeremy Borash said " tonight the King Of The Mountain match will be to crown the FIRST EVER TNA World Champion" and also it was the first time the TNA belt was on the graphic. So basically this proves that Kurt Angle is the FIRST EVER TNA Champion. I am even watching impact right now and they are reffering to Angle as the First TNA Champion. ,June 21st 2007,9:35pm
 * You are wrong, they said Angle is the first "undisputed" champion. TNA considers Cage the first champion. TJ Spyke 04:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Well they dont...if u watch slammiversary they say before the match,"Angle would love to have his first world title win tonight" and they say, "You know Cage will be looking for his 3rd world title win". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.71 (talk • contribs)
 * The pre-show was wrong (and not for the first time). Check out Kurt Angle's profile on TNA's website, they call him a 2 time TNA World Champions: and Cage a 3 time champion: . TJ Spyke 03:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

well here is the proff that the NWA title which wasnt even christains was on the line at sacrifice proving angle is first champion http://youtube.com/watch?v=hDK7z3Bqfdo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.71 (talk • contribs)
 * If this is the Sacrifice match, i've already seen it. It was not for the NWA Title match because Cage was not the NWA Champion at the event. Cage is the first TNA Champion, even TNA says so. End of story. TJ Spyke 04:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

its not the match its clips...TNA PROMOTED THE SACRIFICE MATCH AS A NWA TITLE MATCH ITS 24 SECONDS LONG just please watch it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.71 (talk • contribs)

NWA and TNA championship conclusions
OK i am getting tired of this. Kurt Angle is the First Ever TNA Champion...people have said it..ive seen websites that say it...and TNA says it..and I say it. But i guess i will try to explain my reasoning. First off when NWA "Stripped" the titles off of Cage and 3D, it wasnt made public other than a little website...even then the NWA didnt even take the titles until AFTER Sacrifice. Thus allowing TNA to continue using the belts for that PPV. If u watch the graphic wear it shows Angle, sting and Cage...it CLEARLY says NWA World Heavyweight Championship, also the second graphic the "floating" one says NWA HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. And finally when Borash was doing the introductions he announced cage as "The defending NWA Heavyweight Champion of the World!" therefore this match was still officially for the NWA Title, in which Angle won. therefore Angle became the NWA Champion. Then the second he got back to the locker room a NWA official took the title from Angle...thus " officially" stripping Angle of the NWA TITLE. The follwing Impact, Angle would walk out with a never before seen title...calling himself the HEAVYWEIGHT champion...not the TNA or NWA champion..just the HEAVYWEIGHT champion....but do to the controversy of the night before, cornette would say that there is no champion. The Slammiversary main event would be to crown the TNA heavyweight Champion...this would be the FIRST time that the TNA title would be advertised to be on the line....the FIRST time it would be shown on the graphic...and the FIRST time that someone(kurt angle) would be announced as a TNA champion. All throughout the night they were saying " to crown the FIRST EVER TNA champion...and they did that in Kurt Angle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.71 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep this discussion on 1 talk page please. The NWA STRIPPED Cage and Team 3D of the belts before the PPV, it doesn't mean shit what TNA said during the PPV. TNA could have called Cage the WWE Champion, but that doesn't mean it would have been true. NOBODY considers Kurt Angle a NWA World Champion (not the NWA, not TNA, no title history page). TNA's official title history page says Cage was the first TNA Champion, Cage's TNA profile says he is a 3 time world champion (meaning 2 NWA and 1 TNA), Angle's profile says he is a 2 time world champion, Cornette stripped Angle of the belt (meaning Angle was champion). To sum everything up: NWA stripped TNA of the belts before Sacrifice (meaning TNA no longer had any say over who the NWA Champions were, regardless of what Jeremy Borash says), NOBODY considers Angle a former NWA World Champion, there have been 3 official TNA World Title reigns (2 from Angle and 1 from Cage). The controversy after Sacrifice is why TNA said Angle is the first undisputed champion, not the first champion at all. TJ Spyke 06:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Check this out: http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldpreview.html Kurt Angle is a former 1-time NWA Champion, and 1-time TNA Champion. MC511 21:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, I think we should recognize the NWA title reign that TNA claims, because even if the NWA doesn't recognize it, it's a title change that did happen in kayfabe, live on PPV in front of thousands of people, just leave a note that the NWA does not recognize it and only TNA does, just like it was the last couple of days. TonyFreakinAlmeida 15:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 100% agreed. MC511 22:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 100$ Disagree. TNA had no say over the belt anymore and Cage was no longer the champion. It really doesn't matter what TNA says because they had no authority over the belt anymore. Tony, if you were to claim that you were the NWA Champion, that claim would be as legit as Angle's. Neither the NWA (the only ones decide who has been a champion) nor PWI (who are usually considered to be the #1 unofficial source) consider Angle a former NWA Champion. MAYBE mention in the article (in the TNA) section that Angle unofficially won a title that TNA claimed to be the NWA Title, but not in the actual title section. TJ Spyke 00:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It deserves to be in Angle's championships and accomplishments on this page under his TNA section, as well as in the NWA title history page as an unofficial reign. If TNA are saying that he won the NWA title in their organization, then he did, and you CAN NOT argue with the point that this was viewed on national television, albeit, internationally by thousands and he was announced as the new World Heavyweight Champion, and now in the new TNA title history page on their site, they claim it to be an NWA title reign. I'm setting aside sources of the nonsense that maybe TNA had the right to book a champion by midnight, because those claims are unfounded, but the bottom line is, it's right there on the page, Angle is recognized by TNA as a 1 time NWA world champ and 1 time TNA world champ, IT SHOULD be noted. I'm not claiming I'm any champion? Wtf? Neither is Angle even claiming he's any champion, but TNA is recognizing him as such. TonyFreakinAlmeida 02:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * TNA had no power over the NWA Title at the time, so it doesn't matter what they say. TNA lost the right to crown new champions when Cage was stripped of the title earlier in the day. My point about you was that you could claim you were the NWA Champion and your claim would be just as legit as TNA's claim about Angle. If TNA tried to claim Tomko was the NWA Champion, would you claim we should add that to Tomko's titles section? Angle is not and never was the NWA Champion, and TNA claiming he was doesn't make it so. Make a mention the main body of his article that TNA claimed he won the title, but it shouldn't be listed in his titles section since he did not win the title. TJ Spyke 02:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * TJ is right on this one. You know how John Cena's US title spinner belt wasn't the actual belt, but represented it? On ahe night of Sacrifice, the NWA title represented an as of yet unnamed TNA world championship. That match was never for the NWA championship. I actually don't think he won any title that night, but regardless of the fact if he did, it was not the NWA belt. To be honest, I've never heard TNA claim that Angle won the NWA belt, on their site, in their commentary, whereever. Projectmayhem44 17:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine, I concede on this one, but the Cena custom title belt thing is wrong. The US spinner was used during his reign as champion. I guess you're going to tell me that his current WWE title belt isn't the real belt, even though RVD and Edge both wore it during their title reigns? It's a standard design, as was the Cena US spinner for the timebeing that he was champion.  I don't know where the argument came from of guys holding belts and calling themselves so and so champion, because I full well understand that. But TNA declared on their site that Angle won the "World Heavyweight Championship" after Sacrifice, and now in their World Heavyweight Title lineage, but whatever. I guess you could call his win an interim or generic World Heavyweight Title win. TonyFreakinAlmeida 20:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not made to be an argument, just an example, but I'm right regardless. The US title belt that he held (and was blown up) designated the US title, just as the Smoking Skull belt designated the WWF title during Stone Cold's reign. Remember, we went back to the real belt in both cases. As for the current WWE title, I would argue that Cena's custom belt isn't the real thing (remember, both Edge and RVD were basically transitional champions, and Edge's belt was modified as well, you'll tell me that the "rated r" belt is the real title?), but honestly, he's held the belt so long that its hard to tell. Jury's still out on that one. I did find the title history you mentioned, and boy, it doesn't help at all. They need to get rid of the first Angle reign, otherwise if Angle didn't win the NWA titled (and as TJ pointed out, he didn't, what did he win? It all stems from that first title win, which really shouldn't be there under most people's eyes. I do see your argument in a better light now, and agree that Angle was the first champion, but the "what was Cage at Sacrifice" question will make my head explode. Projectmayhem44 21:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

We should at least say that TNA recognizes him as an NWA champion--Tboneangle123 01:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My opinion (as I stated before), mention the main body of the article that TNA claims he won the NWA Title at Sacrifice. Just don't include it in the titles section. TJ Spyke 02:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I say we call it official--Tboneangle123 02:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not official though. Only the NWA can decide who has officially held their titles, and they say Angle never won the title since they had stripped Christian Cage of the belt and taken it back from TNA (meaning TNA no longer had control over the belt and there was no title for Angle to win from Cage). Whether we should mention it in the title section is debatable, but there is no doubt that it wouldn't be considered official. TJ Spyke 04:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

well dont we recognize Carlos calons reign?--Tboneangle123 00:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's a small interesting update. I was watching the Victory Road commercial, and for the match of champions, they call Angle a "7 time world champion". Considering the 6 he won in WWE (4 wwe, 1 world, 1 wcw), its almost like they're not even counting the NWA win. They really have to get together and think about what really happened that night, and give someone an answer. Projectmayhem44 01:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw that, another funny thing is during that same commercial,they show a clip of him holding the NWA title after he won it. Wierd huh?--Tboneangle123 06:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * TNA on Angle's profile on their site are now calling him a 1-Time World Heavyweight Champion in the company. The link to the title history page on TNA's web site has yet to be made public, but is still reading that Angle is a one-time NWA World Champion.  They'll probably correct it at some point... TonyFreakinAlmeida 15:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

UFC
Some may know that Dana White has been trying to get Kurt to the UFC, and has talked to the company Angle currently works for. Should it be noted on the article? There are several sources on Kurt Angle maybe fighting in MMA in the future, from both Angle and Dana at interviews.--Wikikidboy 11:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read that Dana has talked to Angle, but I haven't seen it say he is trying to get Angle in. It used to be noted in the article, last fall when Angle expressed interest in MMA. Doesn't matter to me. TJ Spyke 02:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Bill Banks says Angle is first Champion
Q: Who is considered the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion? I know that TNA parted ways with the NWA prior to Sacrifice, so was Christian Cage the first TNA champion before losing it to Kurt Angle that night? Or was it Angle when he won it that night? Or is it Angle’s win at Slammiversary? Eric Gentry Battle Creek, Michigan

Bill Banks: As far as who will be listed as the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion, I would have to go with Kurt Angle’s win at Slammiversary. At Sacrifice, Christian Cage still held the old NWA belt going into the match. Remember, Kurt Angle never officially won that bout, as he assumed he won and took off with the belt – a move Jim Cornette reversed a few days later on “iMPACT!” when he vacated the championship. So, in effect, the first TNA World Heavyweight Champion was determined in the King of the Mountain match.

http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1415

This is from TNA's OFFICIAL site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.10.196 (talk • contribs)
 * TNA's OFFICIAL website says Cage is the first champion. That just says that Bill Banks thinks Angle is. Banks says Angle, TNA says Cage. We go with Cage. Banks shows he doesn't know what he is talking about since TNA does count the title change at Sacrifice. TJ Spyke 23:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

NO...TNA. COM SAYS IT....BUT SINCE BANKS IS TNA.COMs DIRECTOR, HE OVERRIDES WHAT THE ACTUAL SITE SAYS...ANYWAY THIS IS THE CLOSEST CONFORMATION WE HAVE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.10.196 (talk • contribs)
 * No. The official confirmation we have is that Cage is the first champion. What you have is one persons opinion (a person who gets proven wrong on multiple different pages on TNA's official website). TJ Spyke 23:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

TNA has NEVER said cage is first champion, do u have a problem with angle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.10.196 (talk • contribs)
 * Uh-huh, then why does TNA consider Cage a 3 time world champion and Angle a 2 time world champion (also proving Banks WRONG about the Sacrifice title changes not counting). TNA also considers Cage the first TNA World Champion . If Banks thinks Angle never won the title at Sacrifice, then why does TNA consider him a 2 time world champion? If I didn't like Angle (which is laughable because he is one of my favorite all-time wrestlers), why would I be trying to add another world title reign for him? Wouldn't I be trying to pretend Slammiversary was his first like you are? TJ Spyke 04:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

lol well saying he is a a first is better imo. but even tho NWA stripped cage...TNA has the rights to the belts until 2014 i believe...so even if NWA stripped them TNA had the power to give it back...so maybe NWA stripped cage but TNA just gave it back to him and they counted it as a 3rd reign? Also the match was still for the NWA title...if u watch it i swear to god the graphic says NWA world heavyweight championship on it and JB anounces Cage as the DEFENDING NWA Champ...plus the NWA official did not even take the belts back until AFTER SACRIFICE, and Angle had it in his contract to be a NWA champ in his first year with TNA...all im saying is that the most RECENT things we have heard is that they are claiming Angle to be first champion..and i know several others on wikipedia agree with me, i mean i could just be a dick and change it but thats stupid becuz all we would be doing is going back and fourth...i say since the most recent event is Banks saying Angle is the first we lable him as the first...at least until we hear something else. please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.7.105 (talk • contribs)

I disagree. The NWA stripped Cage of the belt due to a reported violation in the terms of the lease by TNA. TNA did NOT have the power to give the belt back to Cage. The NWA does not recognize Kurt Angle as a former champion. Angle won a "World Title" from Cage at Sacrifice. It was not the NWA World Title. So what was it? The TNA title, of course. And, since it was defended by Cage, he was the defacto champion. Linda McMahon was once quoted as saying Triple H was the greatest wrestler in the world today. Does that make it fact? No. Neither does Bill Banks' OPINION about the first TNA champion Garistotle 17:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

well your right then..he won A world title..but it was announced as..."your winner and new world champion." they never said tna...the FIRST time someone was announced as a TNA champion was slammiversary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.7.105 (talk • contribs)

here... i updated the link...this PROVES that TNA was acting like the Sacrifice main event was for the NWA title. http://youtube.com/watch?v=M676jgrlLj8
 * So my question then, and I don't mean to be argumentative, but just to think about it: If Angle won a World Title at Sacrifice, as the TNA site DOES indicate on his profile, what World Title was it? The NWA does not recognize him as a former champion, so what does that leave?Garistotle 18:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

thats the part that confuses people..but bill banks said that it was the nwa title TNA must recognize it but NWA does not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.7.105 (talk • contribs)
 * Considering it's NWA's Title, only the NWA can decide if the match was for the NWA Title. The NWA officially too the title away from TNA (the championship, not the actual physical belt), earlier that day. TNA has created quite a mess with this whole situation, they should have just said something like "as a result of the controversial endiing at Sacrifice, we are dropping this title and creating a new TNA World Heavyweight Championship with the first champion to be crowned at Slammiversary", rather than this mess where TNA contradicts itself. Also, the NWA and TNA agreed to end their relationship early, so TNA had no power over the NWA Belt. TJ Spyke 22:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

i agree with the mess...but tnd DID say the slammiversary match is what will crown the first champion...even tho there websites mite have had something on it...on air they are reffering to the slammiversary match as the 1st one...also let me say this right now...i am not trying to be a dick...i dont mean to annoy you...its just that i love angle..i had the opportunity to meet him...and so when it come to angle i get obsessive over anything that will take away from his accomplishments and i think he accomplished being the first tna champion...sigh...i will keep emailing tna DEMANDING they put up a title history! anyway i hope u understand that this is just a heathly debate...i mean at least we can both agree that angle..RULZ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.7.105 (talk • contribs)
 * I think we can also agree that TNA has created a mess, they are contradicting themselves both on TV and on their website and just generally causing a mess for those of us trying to orgnaize title histories. TJ Spyke 03:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

ya...well whatever...i mean theres nothing we can do really...maybe 1 day we will get a 100 percent confirmation from tna or something....like im sure that tna will say it and im sure angle will refer to himself as the first world champ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.7.105 (talk • contribs)


 * Check this out: http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldpreview.html Kurt Angle is a former 1-time NWA Champion, and 1-time TNA Champion. MC511 20:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, every time I've heard Tenay talk about it, he never talks about that first title reign. Even before the Slammiversary match, he said (exact quote): "And you know that Kurt Angle would love nothing better than to get his first ever world championship right here in TNA". I guess none of us could know until TNA comes out with their official title history, which should happen sooner rather than later. Projectmayhem44 21:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Great, more controversy (IWGP TITLE)
Kurt Angle just defeated Brock Lesnar for the IWGP belt...but is it counted as a reign? i say count it...cuz lesnar never lost it and its still the belt.
 * Lesnar was stripped of the title more than a year ago. The current IWGP Champion is Yuji Nagata. All Angle won was the physical belt (which is because Inoki owns it). When Inoki left NJPW (who controls the championship), he claimed that Lesnar was still the champion. Angle is being referred to as the IGF Champion (IGF being Inoki's promotion) since Inoki has no authority over the IWGP Title. TJ Spyke 23:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Kurt is full of controversy with all these titles! MC511 20:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

IWGP World Champion
Angle defeated Lesnar for the IWGP World Heavyweight Title today. I won't post it because I can't find a source. Here are some pics to prove this is true.

http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183127420/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629180.jpg http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183123776/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629186.jpg http://ca.c.yimg.jp/sports/1183127421/img.sports.yahoo.co.jp/spnavi/photo/fight/200706/29/20070629188.jpg http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/headlines/images/20070629/20070629-00000045-spnavi-fight-view-000.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2341/angledoublegoldjp4.jpg

If someone can find a source please post it.--24.184.169.37 22:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ya i say its official.--71.139.1.78 22:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

TNA ,IGF and Angle claim it to be an iwgp title win. http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1427 --71.139.1.78 22:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering Yuji Nagata is the IWGP Champion and Angle defeated Brock Lesnar, it's not. Only New Japan Pro Wrestling can say it, it would be like somebody in ROH claiming they won the WWE Championship. Brock Lesnar was stripped of the IWGP Title last year by the IWGP. All Antonio Inoki has is the physical belt. What happened was that Antonio Inoki left NJPW (the organization that controls the IWGP Title) and started his own promotion, Inoki owned the physical belt and took it with him. So while Inoki and TNA claim it's the IWGP Championship (since they are doing a talent exchange, it's not the IWGP Championship and I doubt New Japan (or the real IWGP Champion Yuji Nagata) will be happy with them claiming Angle is the champion. TJ Spyke 23:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

damn angle and his confusing ass title reigns...but still...i think technically he has an nwa title reign and a iwgp reign on his resume —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.1.78 (talk • contribs)
 * How can you hold a title when you don't beat the champion though? Cage was no longer the NWA Champion since he had been stripped by the NWA earlier that day, and Brock Lesnar had been stripped of the IWGP Title more than a YEAR ago (he was stripped on June 15, 2006). The NWA Title was vacant when Angle beat Cage and the current IWGP Champion is Yuji Nagata. While Angle did win the physical belt (which Inoki owned), he didn't win the championship. For now, it seems like people are referring to Inoki's title as the IGF World Heavyweight Championship (IGF=Inoki Genome Federation, the name of his promotion) since the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship belongs to New Japan Pro Wrestling). TJ Spyke 23:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

well its easier to say he was an nwa champion then iwgp champion..i mean at sacrifice they did announce the match as an NWA title match..and they did the same with iwgp...but that one more controversial...anyway do u have aim or email or anything tj? --71.139.1.78 00:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The NWA one is a better case (since it was the same day, and not over a year later), but TNA no longer had control of the title at Sacrifice. I do have my e-mail registered on Wikipedia, but you have to register to be able to use it (which I suggest you do anyways). Don't you think a promotion has final say over their belt? The NWA considered the title vacant as soon as they stripped Cage of the belt. TJ Spyke 00:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

i see but he is calling himself iwgp champion...and angles word is gospel..well to me it is..maybe we should call it the IGF-IWGP title--Tboneangle123 00:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, he had the IWGP Belt but not the IWGP Championship (i.e. the physical belt he has says IWGP World Heavyweight Championship but it's not the IWGP Title). How can he be the champion though when the man he beat wasn't the IWGP Champion? He beat Brock Lesnar, who was stripped of the belt more than a year ago. The current IWGP Champion (as considered official by NJPW) is Yuji Nagata. Let Angle call himself whatever he wants, he can call himself the "Galactic Nova Hyper Chicken Champion" if he wants. I am personally gonna call him the IGF Champion for now since that makes the most sense. TJ Spyke 00:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * lol, well said TJ ;) The Hybrid 00:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Well i have had 4 hours at work and all i thoght about was this: It pisses me off that you guys keep claimimg to be write about the NWA title and IWGP title situation. Im not claimimg to be right either(aside from kurt angle being the first TNA champion.) But you guys are making up titles. You know damn well at Sacrifice that no TNA title existed, hell TNA got there new belt weeks ago, and if you think they wanted Christain to be the first tna champion, they would have had him go out at Sacrifice with the NEW TNA belt and announce him as the TNA champion. But they didnt. Instead Christain walked out with the NWA belt and was announced as the NWA champion. The NWA stripped Cage. OK. So even if he wasnt the NWA champion he sure as hell wasnt the TNA champion. Fact is it was a pointless title match where nothing was on the line. Because TNA was saving the TNA belt for Slamiversary. Sure TNA put up a title history, but they took it down 5 minutes after. Now the announcers, the wrestlers, adn Bill Banks, the website director, are calling Angle the first TNA champion, and to continue to recognize Christain as the first champion is just stubborn. Now the IWGP title. Now i admit this may be nothing. I mean he sure as hell isnt the IWGP champion, as NJPW owns the rights. But to call him the IGF champion? Thats stupid. There is no such thing? I mean did i miss something? Did Inoki announce a new title? Cuz i never heard of it. Bottom line is that as confusing as this is, you arent helping by making up your own world titles, and acting as if they are legit. O and Kurt Angle is the First TNA champion.--Tboneangle123 05:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)--Tboneangle123 05:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * NWA are recognizing Kurt Angle as the "IWGP World Heavyweight Champion" http://www.nwawrestling.com/PHP-Nuke/index.php MC511 21:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the title was called the "IWGP Third Belt Title" at the show, so maybe we should call it that. Also, the NWA does not call Angle that, they call him "Inoki IGF/IWGP Champion". Angle won the physical title belt (it was the third belt design in IWGP, hence the "IWGP Third Belt" name), but the only way he could win the real IWGP World Heavyweight Championship would be to defeat Yuji Nagata (who is, you know, the IWGP Champion). As for the NWA Title situation, the NWA does not consider him a former champion and we shouldn't either since the NWA had stripped Cage earlier in the day. Since TNA now has change their hisotry page to say Angle won the NWA Title, that means Angle loses a world title reign (since they don't consider it a TNA Title reign, and they no longer had any say over the NWA Title. It now goes the way of other unofficial reigns like Bobo Brazil and Carlos Colon). TJ Spyke 03:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

So now Angle is listed as first TNA champion?--71.139.9.242 05:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Talk:TNA World Heavyweight Championship for the discussion on the issue and the mess TNA has created with the title situation. TJ Spyke 05:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Heres the match from dailymotion -Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar - June 29th 2007-IGF --Rekatj2 08:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

TNA didn't "create the mess with the world title situation", that would be the NWA. TNA announced the NWA World Title match for Sacrifice befroe even the Lockdown PPV the month before(the main event stipulation). If the NWA were gonna strip the champions, why wait until juest a FEW HOURS before a major scheduled PPV? Seriously, they should have at least given TNA the chance to do ONE Impact! to rewrite things. Also it was a Sunday afternoon, when most people aren't at work, college etc. So TNA had NO WAY to inform their fans, besides maybe a piece on the website, but the TV fans couldn't know FA. This was clearly a power play/ego trip on the NWA's part to hurt the new TNA World Heavyweight Title, and make it look like a joke belt from the word go, as Cage would be Champion only because he was stripped of another World Title, and then be champion for just a few hours. The major issue here however is that the NWA had NO RIGHT to strip ANYONE in TNA of anything until the next day! TNA had control of those titles until midnight, complete control. And the NWA had to accept whatever they did. If they had wanted to put the NWA World Title on the Big Fat Oily Guy at Sacrifice, they were perfectly entitled to, and the NWA would have had to accept it. THAT is the issue, the fact that Grobich or whoever he is had NO RIGHT to strip Cage or 3-D until the following Monday. So here's the thing... Kurt Angle became the first TNA World heavyweight Champion EVER at Slamiversary. Cage has never held the TNA World Title. TNA recognises Angle as a 1-time NWA Champion, and a 1-time TNA Champion. Angle's NWA reign lasted just a few hours, not Cage's non-existent TNA reign. But the NWA refuse to recognise Angle's NWA win, since they claim Cage was stripped right before the PPV, something they were legally not allowed to do on May 13. I imagine in the long run, however, that the Sacrifice MAin Event will be listed as just a 3-way with NO belt on the line. Or maybe the NWA will FINALLY recognise Angle's win years from now(which legally they ARE obliged to be doing right now), like with Flair-Race in 1984. Sorry this was long-winded, but that's how it is...

Do you have any facts/links about NWA not being able to strip the title until the next day? If so, that would make the title picture a lot easier to digest. What I wonder is that, we all know the relationship was ending, but I wonder if the strip AT THAT TIME was known by TNA or not. After all, NWA always tries to save face. Who's cared about the NWA title since Shane Douglas? I wouldn't be surprised if it lost world title status now that TNA isn't associated with it. Projectmayhem44 04:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hard Justice
at Hard Justice 2007 Kurt angle won Samoa joe and keep his TNA World Heavywieght Championship and the IWGP championship and regin the TNA X-Division Championship and the TNA World Tag Team Championship.Now He holding all the title in TNA!
 * And he's the most decorated wrestler.....EVER--KingMorpheus 12:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The Ankle Lock
To answer spykes its really called the ankle lock i know this for the fact because Ken Shamrock used to use it in WWF.

While the move is called the Ankle Lock Angle often calls it the Angle Lock, just like Batista calls a sitout powerbomb a batista bomb, or Stevie Richards calls a superkick a Stevie Kick.LessThanClippers 15:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

New titles
Why isn't the X Division and TNA Tag title listed on Angle's accomplishments? Can an admin add them? Virakhvar321 18:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Administrator Please Add
In the opening, can you please list him as the holder of all TNA championships, - The TNA Heavyweight Championship, The X-Division Championship, and both Tag Team championships, as well as the IWGP third title.

Also, can these be added to accomplishments, as well as his status as only the 2nd TNA triple crown winner, and the only person to hold all the belts in the triple crown at the same time.

I understand the need to protect articles, but if 24 hours after a PPV there is no update as to the result,I feel we may need to unprotect. LessThanClippers 23:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Championships
tna heavy height tag x divisiaon This is out of hand. Hard Justice was 4 days ago, and still an admin hasn't updated Kurt's page? MDowdal 14:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I reccommend that if we do not see an update by Friday (after Thursday's Impact! Airing) that we start the proccess on fighting to have this page's protection removed. This is absurd.LessThanClippers 19:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that it should be added the his managers section that Karen Angle - his wife - is his manager. - Harlan C.

She has never appeared as his manager. She has never even been his valet in his corner in TNA. She was and probably is part of a current storyline, but lets wait and see how it plays out before we know her role. If you are reffering to results of TNA IMPACT that airs tonight but taped earlier, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM POSTING SPOILERS.LessThanClippers 16:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

We need to see Angle be recognized for his TNA Tag and X-Division titles as well as the TNA Triple Crown. SuperSonicTH 04:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I have requested on the immediate request page that this change ne made. We will see what happens.LessThanClippers 21:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Updating titles for Kurt Angle
kurt and Steve Borden are the champs add that —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spider2005 (talk • contribs) 04:34, August 29, 2007 (UTC) Angle is now the holder of all the TNA titles as well as the second ever triple crown champion. THIS NEEDS TO BE REFLECTED.JakeDHS07 18:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)JakeDHS07
 * I have added a line to the lead of the article to reflect these things. If you folks would like to write it better than I can (since I don't know the subject matter), feel free to draft it on the talk page and (once you have consensus about it) let me know on my talk and I'll look at moving it over from talk to the article.  The  template really is the best way to get changes made - I'd never have thought to look at this article without that template being on it.  Cheers, - Philippe &#124; Talk 22:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It needs to be reflected in the 'Championships and Accomplishments' section as well.

And why is this article protected anyway? Nosleep1234 00:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Besides adding TNA World Tag Team Championship, TNA X Division Championship, and TNA Triple Crown (Second) to his accomplishments, Karen Angle needs to be added under the "Managers" section. Andrewlb_2000

Everybody knows that matches are fixed. So they would have orgainised and pratctised for the nwa title to be defended. In the few hours before the ppv, the champ is officially stripped, they didn't have time to re-organise or change the event. So it appeared as though Angle won the nwa belt. Hence all the controversy on this page.

This article is protected over the current controversy regarding the IWGP title. I think it became an edit war over soemthing quite minor and is affecting this page from being properly maintained.LessThanClippers 14:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Karen Angle
Please remove Karen Angle as a manager. Karen Angle has accompanied him to the ring for 0 matches since he has been in TNA, and is staying by his side as HIS WIFE. She is not managing him, shes not even a valet at this time as she has been at ringside for 0 matches. She is being used as part of a single storyline, and once she has shown to be "managing" him, then she can be added. At this time, it looks like Kurt is managing the whole situation and using Karen in it.LessThanClippers 14:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This article is only semiprotected, so nearly any editor can make the changes if appropriate. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:08, 18 August 2007&#32;(UTC)

Thank you, at the time I made this, it was fully protected.LessThanClippers 20:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I am removing Karen Angle as a manager, as there was no objection to this. LessThanClippers 20:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Triple crown
it should also be noted that he is the first person to win the triple crown in both WWE and TNA S-pac54 22:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow
I must say, despite being one goofy looking guy, he has got to be the most decorated professional wrestler ever. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * goofy looking guy? I don't think so! in the words of the man himself...he's a "sexy Kurt"...you don't shut your mouth he'll "make you ankle hurt."
 * Actually the most decorated professional wrestler ever would be Jerry Lawler. He has 124 titles from the AWA, WCCW, NWA, Mid-South and Memphis Wrestling.  At one point, the guys from Memphis wrestled every night for 20 years or so and there were a lot of title changes.  124 are recognized by WWE, I think the actually count may be higher. --Naha|(talk) 23:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah 124 its in the latest issue of wwe mag. the one bout triple h's return S-pac54 19:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Children In Need
I'm pretty sure he was in a trailer last year promoting Children In Need BBC 1's annual fundraising telethon maybe worth including in the main article somewhere.