Talk:Kurt Busch

Opening comment
When driver Chris Trickle was murdered, Kurt Busch was selected to replace him in the #70 Star Nursery car and this was his big break.

"Busch earned his big break after Chris Trickle was wounded in a mysterious shooting (Trickle would die of the injuries over a year later and to this day the murderer has never been found)."

So beautifully worded.80.138.240.201 (talk) 16:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

On the incidents section
Seems that on the Homestead incident, some sources indicate the gesture was made to the First Lady Motorcade that blocked his way to his garage when the transmission blew over.

Also, apparently he threw another profane-laced tirade at Darlington, presumably related to the crash and Newman altercation. Can any confirmed that and can it be worth mentionning here with sources of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.179.155.183 (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

refs
— Ched : ?  01:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/12333898/judge-issues-no-contact-order-kurt-busch
 * http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/nascar-kurt-busch-patricia-driscoll-waiting-for-commission-before-making-decision-021615
 * http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/judge-issues-contact-order-nascars-kurt-busch-29002077
 * http://6abc.com/sports/kurt-busch-awaits-nascar-decision/520285/

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An entire section on "controversy"
moved from my talk page

Hey I'm asking why remove controversies on Kurt I get why but I prefer having it on there in case someone else wants to know what drama Kurt was in in the past get back to me if you can please and thank you 47.26.59.64 (talk) 01:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, ,
 * I blanket-removed the "Controversy" section from Kurt Busch due to my opinion that having an entire section dedicated to controversy on an article whose subject is a living person could be seen as not being written from a neutral point of view. There is nothing wrong with having individual controversies, or even a whole bunch of them in an article, but I feel that since Busch's controversies happened in the course of his NASCAR career, that they should be inserted where relevant inside the career section of the article.
 * I've been meaning to vet the individual controversies I removed for compliance with Wikipedia's policies regarding original research, reliable sourcing, etc. and add what I feel is up to snuff back in where relevant, but haven't gotten around to it. By all means, if you feel that the wording and sources are good enough, add them back into the prose. I only oppose having an entire section dedicated to this. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  22:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * hey it's me again but with a account, I saw you removed controversies on Kurt Busch after you said I can add it back 2 months ago, don't know why you removed it but I'm going to add it back MadBlade 2 (talk) 13:34, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not what I said at all. Please reread my above comment. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  16:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand but I truly believe controversies should be added back MadBlade 2 (talk) 16:37, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

So the way to go about this is to seek a consensus on this article talk page, not wait two months and try to revert under the radar. I have already said that the content should be added into appropriate places in the prose that remains on the article. We do not need an entire section worth 32k bites for it; doing so also violates WP:SYNTH. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  21:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to tell you but you are wrong because there could be people that want to know the controversies he's been in, and what are you supposed to find it on google, youtube?, no only Wikipedia, I understand you believe we don't need it but technically we do because if there are NASCAR fans that want to know what controversies (my boy) Kurt Busch was in,then it's going to have to be on his Wikipedia because it could be hard for people to find what controversies he was in,whether it's Google or YouTube. MadBlade 2 (talk) 23:53, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been telling you the entire time that there is a way to do this properly, in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and the way you are doing this (including by repeating the exact same arguments) is not that. The solution is to either 1) take the time and effort to add the content you would like to add, in the "Career" section of the article (something which you are apparently not listening to) or 2) seek a consensus amongst other editors on this page to restore the whole section. You have not done either of those. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  14:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * you are making yourself look...because there is no way in heck it's going in into career, so I'm going to say it one more time, I'm going to add it back, that's final.
 * Have a good Day MadBlade 2 (talk) 16:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That personal attack was uncalled for and I strongly suggest that you both strike that at once and self-revert your continued edit warring during a discussion (you haven't "proven" anything) before this goes to the appropriate noticeboards. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am in agreement with @GhostOfDanGurney here. Consider working within the relevant guidelines, and please consider refraining from making unilateral moves such as restoring an overly detailed "Controversies" section. The best way to achieve things on Wikipedia is by being mindful of consensus, which means working with others to construct something the majority of editors can/will agree on. If you read Gurney's comments with a critical eye, you may notice that some of the content he feels is appropriate, provided it is inserted into the relevant areas of Busch's career section. I agree with this, and support it. However, I do not support the retention of an extraneous section devoted solely to supposed controversies.
 * RegalZ8790 (talk) 17:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've started it. I'll finish tonight if I have time. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  20:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)