Talk:Kushite religion

Anybody want to lend me a hand improving this article?
This is the first article I've created, and I have improved it to the best of my knowledge, but because this is the first article I've created on Wikipedia, I need Wikipedia members who are more experienced than me to take over responsibility for improving this article and bringing it to up to standards. Are there any experienced Wikipedia editors who want to take over the job of improving this article? Nihiluskyloren (talk) 23:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Nihiluskyloren can we rename this article Kushite mythology as well as the category, The Nubians were a distinct people who showed up long after the kingdom of Kush, they invaded the Kingdom of Kush during it's decline, they are a distinct culture and people from the Kushites which this article is referring to the mythology of the Kushites, it was the Noba (Nubians) who invaded and conquered Kush/Meroe the Kushites who spoke Meroitic and not Nubian, this is a common confusion in western Egyptology and Nubiology though so I understand, but its like referring to the pre Anglo Saxons Celts in south Britain as "English" hopefully this error can be corrected Jedorton (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nihiluskyloren I will come back to lend you a hand. Do you have a reading list?
 * And @Jedorton make a very sound point. FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi
 * Confusing Noba with Nubians is a big mistake and exposes lack of knowledge of the basic precepts of Nubian History.
 * Kingdom of Kush was not destroyed by the "Noba" ,the 4th century Ezana's Stelae was very clear about who destroyed Meroe, furthermore there is absolutely no archaeological evidence that supports that claim.
 * Nubian culture and the Nubian language predates Kush. Kushites are not a race. There is no way to know what languages the " Kushites" spoke since Kush was a multi-ethnic state that had an administrative and liturgical language (Meroitic) that appeared only in the terminal stages of Kushite history. Meroetic was not the language of the common folks. The various toponymy of ancient Nubian villages attest to the presence of the Nubians and their various languages since at least BCE 3000, not withstanding the clear archaeological data that has been established after years of excavation that point clearly to a cultural continuity, in textual sources, in settlements, in burial practices , in rituals and in anthropological features.
 * is there any evidence that the Angles of the Medieval period were not a continuity to the Celts of antiquity ? Other than a change of language, the culture and the people are very much the same.
 * It is astounding to me that an ill informed amateur would point out that the scientists who put forth one of the greatest achievements in the field of African history would be so insolent as to call these scientist "confused".
 * Dare I say, verily from what you wrote Jedorton, you are the one that is confused. Kryako (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Deffufa
Hi @Jedorton, how does Deffufa relates to this article? I think it is better suited to be in a seperate article or added to Nubian architecture Another thing, where is your source for this information? FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello FuzzyMagma,The Deffufas were a big part of kushite mythology and sacred sites, They were the main religious sites of the kermans and this is according to various sources, I just thought I would add it for that important reason Jedorton (talk) 20:01, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * this looks like it is been copied and WP:Close paraphrased from Atlas Obscura, see and  and I do not think it is relevant anyway. Please also add a reference to what you add into wikipedia FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jedorton I would recommend starting with writing a draft article and submit it for review. So you will get your head around the Golden rules .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK that's fine.Jedorton (talk) 20:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I Did but can I find a better sources/references to re add them back ? as I many other Nubiologist think their an important part to kusite mythology Jedorton (talk) 20:14, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I would recommend thinking about the structure of the whole article, and see where does this section fits. With the current article skeleton it is a huge jump to go from a list to a detailed description without providing a context.
 * Or just added to Nubian architecture FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * also avoid WP:Copyright violation .. it is a big no no FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:27, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also can we rename Nubian architecture article to kushite architecture, the Nubians were 1-4 century invaders noba that renamed "Nubia" when the Romans gave it that name the later part was Nubian architecture though, the kushies who spoke Meroitic and the proto Nubians invaders spoke proto Nubian Jedorton (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jedorton can you please take this proposal to that page's talk, and add refs. Someone then will start a move procedure where others will come and voice thier opinion and vote FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:51, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OKay Jedorton (talk) 20:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi MODS
 * This is entirely incorrect and ahistorical. There is no evidence that the "Noba" introduced Nile Nubian languages to the Nile valley, much less the "Noba" speaking Nubian, as archaeology attests to the presence of different varieties of the Nubian languages since before the establishment of "Kush". Characterization of the "Noba" as invaders is a blatant error and exposes the complete lack of understanding of the basic tenets of History. This point is a political point and not based in archaeology or history.
 * Meroitic is not and endonym and Kushites speaking Meroitic is anachronistic and confuses the terminology Kushite and Meroites. Nubia is not a Roman exonym and there are no credible historical source that affirm this theory. A theory not based on any scientific, archaeological or linguistic evidence
 * If the "Noba" were invaders then we must concede that the Meroites were invaders too since they supplanted the Kerman population and change the name original name of Kerma from "Irem" to "Kush". ( There is absolutely no archaeological evidence of any culture change through antiquity and until the middle ages )
 * Dear Mods, please do not allow amateur pseudoscientists and revisionist of Sudanese history to change well established historical facts just because they have a problem with Nubian history and culture, there is no such thing as present day Kushites, all that survives of that ancient culture survives in the modern Nubian culture. Kryako (talk) 13:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)