Talk:KwaZulu-Natal

Capital of the Province
As of the ANC coming into power in the province, Pietermaritzburg is the sole capital. Below is a quote from the Premier, S'bu Ndebele's inauguration address, with a link to an online copy of the address, stating as such:

"In line with our election commitment, and the need for a single government that is not fragmented and disparate, Pietermaritzburg is both the legislative and executive capital of our province." 

Jcw69 reverted my changes to this effect in error (though has done a spectacular job of listing all the towns in the province by region :) ).

Some explanation of the history of this description (I think I put this in, but maybe it got taken out?) might be useful.

-kierano

PMB is the only capital. Wizzy 21:02, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * I appologise, I far as I knew both Pmb and Ulundi shared capital status, but that was before last years elections and I never came across anything to the contrary until now. Thanks --Jcw69 07:21, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * The same statement (that there are two capitals) is also in Provinces of South Africa, so you might want to change that if it's no longer the case. Nyh 07:22, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Corn
This page links to the disambiguation page Corn, but I'm not sure which sense is intended. Can you help? Thanks. &mdash; Pekinensis 21:38, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

How many of the whites are anglo-africans i.e english speaking whites? /Martin

Do you mean in South Africa as a whole or just in KZN? Approximately 15% of SA is white, and about 40% of those are home language English-speakers (the rest being Afrikaans). I would think the proportion would be higher in KZN. Joziboy 23 March 2006, 16:15 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 08:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * Talk:KwaZulu-Natal Province - KwaZulu-Natal Province --> KwaZulu-Natal - As per the discussion on Talk:Provinces of South Africa it was agreed that 'province' is not part of the name of each province.


 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with  ~


 * Support. Yup, do it. dewet|&trade; 18:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Disambiguation is not necessary, so it just seems awkward with that redundant "Province".  // Big Adamsky •  BA's talk page 18:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. Per original discussion here. - htonl 18:29, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Support --Jcw69 20:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Renaming?
Is there a reference for the claim that there are plans to rename KZN simply KwaZulu? I very much doubt it's true. Joziboy 23 April 2006, 13:46 (UTC)


 * Also, there doesn't seem to be an article on (the now defunct) Natal - if someone wants to start that? There's only this current page, and one about the Boer Republic of Natalia. But there are pages for all of the other old provinces (Cape Province, Orange Free State and Transvaal), so there should really be an article on the province of Natal. Joziboy 23 April 2006, 13:59 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that comment on renaming, and it's bugging me, too. I'm taking it out until someone can show substantiation. If anything, it doesn't belong in the opening paragraph.


 * I've been thinking about a Natal page, too. I have been doing some work lately on the history section on the Zulu page, much of which is intertwined with the history of Natal, both as a British colony and as a province. Maybe when I get time...-Kieran 09:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Just had a look at your Zulu history section - it's excellent! If you could do the Natal page that would be great. Joziboy 25 April 2006, 10:13 (UTC)


 * I agree that Province of Natal should have its own article, I came here looking for it and was suprised it isnt here --Astrokey 44 02:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Never mind, its actually here: Natal Province --Astrokey 44 03:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

hi dude!!! Life is awesome!!!- Mr,Smax 16-02-2017

hi they need paragraphs on forestry and animal farming in kzn-Mr,Smax 16-02-2017

Locations
Just two small points:

1) I think it is a bit odd to say KZN is in the South East of South Africa. If the centre of the country is around Bloemfontein, KZN is East of the centre. I've never heard of KZN being refered to as in the South East of the country.

2) It's also strange to say Durban is on the South coast of KZN. The KZN South coast is usually defined as the coast South of Durban (while the KZN North coast is North of Durban). Booshank (talk) 22:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess it's the southernmost part of eastern SA, which kind of makes it south-eastern. If someone said "Eastern South Africa" I would think of Mpumalanga and Zululand; if someone said "South-Eastern South Africa" I would think of the Natal South Coast and the Transkei, maybe. So it's difficult to really allocate KZN to one cardinal direction.
 * Agreed. Absolutely standard to used Durban as the boundary between KZN South Coast and KZN North Coast. - htonl (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

KwaZulu Natal is not a monarchy
An annonymous editor has asserted that KwaZulu Natal is a monarchy. This is not the case. The Zulu King is king of the Zulu people, not of the Xhosa people, nor of the Indian people nor of the white people, all of whom are resident in KwaZulu-Natal. His role is like that of a Scottish clan chief or an archbishop. He has influence in KwaZulu Natal (where over half the people are Zulu), but no authority, so the province is not a monarchy. Martinvl (talk) 17:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. Although the King of the Zulus receives some funding from the provincial government, he has no role - not even a formal one - in the government. He does not open the provincial legislature, or appoint the Premier, or sign provincial Acts, or do any of the other things that parliamentary monarchs do. - htonl (talk) 18:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Article 46 of the proposed KZN constitution however provides for a monarch of Kwazulu-Natal, who is the same person that holds the office of Zulu King. While this constitution still needs to be adopted, the Zulu King is regarded as the nominal monarch for the Province. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you read the whole of the constitution, you will see that the monarch does not play a role in government - the role that one would expect of of monarch in government is taken by the premier and, in the absence of a premier, the chief justice. Martinvl (talk) 04:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Coat of Arms
I added the coat of arms, and understand that it may be outdated, but since their is a section on the coat of arms, there should probably be an image of the coat of arms somewhere on the page, if not then maybe one needs uploading?Jacsam2 (talk) 19:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The currrent coat of arms can be found here. There is a specific note on the page regarding use in Wikipedia. Martinvl (talk) 19:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added the current coat of arms from the provincial government website. The NGW website does have a note about allowing use of the images on Wikipedia, but since he received the image "as a scan from a newspaper clipping" he doesn't actually have the copyright authority to allow us to use it. However, we can use the image on this article under the non-free content criteria. - htonl (talk) 20:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Pre-History
Pre history section is needed, Where Zulu people the first settlers or is there evidence of another group of people who settled prior to Bantu expansion?--Inayity (talk) 13:07, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 14 October 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

KwaZulu–Natal → KwaZulu-Natal – This and all other page moves by Bang4Buck should not have been done without discussion. "KwaZulu-Natal" is a combination, not an opposition, of two entities, and so, per MOS:HYPHEN, should be hyphenated, not en-dashed. – Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * That may be so, but that is about 200 moves to have to revert!! Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:23, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Support, for the reasons expressed by the proposer, and note in MOS:HYPHEN, "A hyphen is used by default in compounded proper names of single entities." Furthermore, here is the relevant page of the South African constitution which declares the names of the provinces; this is the legally binding version printed in the Government Gazette. The letter there is quite clearly a hyphen and not an en-dash. : it may be a lot of work, but it needs to be done. - htonl (talk) 08:52, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy close. Indeed it is, . But if this apparently incorrect decision were to be accepted by the community, there'd be many thousands (or perhaps millions?) of changes to be made. There seem to be almost 4000 articles containing the hyphenated compound name "KwaZulu-Natal", about 2500 articles containing "Emilia-Romagna", and so on. So the mere amount of work involved is not a good rationale for opposing a technical request in this, or indeed in any, case. This was clearly expressed by  at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 26: "these are listed as reversions of recent undiscussed moves. If they are in fact all reversions, they should all go through first, and then RM discussions should proceed from there as necessary. The burden should be on the editors who want to move the pages, not the ones who want to perform reversions" and later "Not processing reversions of undiscussed moves because they are contested would be equivalent to allowing movers to sidestep the RM process by fait accompli". I suggest closing this out-of-process RM, reverting your edit, and reverting the moves as undiscussed. If anyone wants to try a move request against the existing hard-won consensus at WP:HYPHEN they are of course free to do so. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:16, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

List of requested move 14 October 2015

 * : Here is a list of the moves, so people can check off which have so far been obeyed. Someone please delete or strikeout any which do not belong here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:52, 15 October 2015 (UTC) :-
 * See also User talk:Bang4Buck. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:23, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ 15:10, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Mooi River (KwaZulu–Natal) to Mooi River, KwaZulu–Natal (more complicated series of moves and redirects to distinguish the town and multiple rivers)
 * ✅ 15:10, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Nkandla, KwaZulu-Natal to Nkandla, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:09, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Bazley, KwaZulu-Natal to Bazley, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:07, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Buffalo River (KwaZulu–Natal) to Buffalo River, KwaZulu-Natal - requested at WP:RMT
 * ✅ 15:06, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck De Beer's Pass, KwaZulu-Natal to De Beer's Pass, KwaZulu–Natal - requested at WP:RMT
 * ✅ 15:06, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Glückstadt, KwaZulu-Natal to Glückstadt, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:06, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Darnall, KwaZulu-Natal to Darnall, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:04, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Ottawa, KwaZulu-Natal to Ottawa, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:03, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Bloukrans River (KwaZulu-Natal) to Bloukrans River (KwaZulu–Natal)
 * ✅ 15:03, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Cornfields, KwaZulu-Natal to Cornfields, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:01, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Weza, KwaZulu-Natal to Weza, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:00, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Creighton, KwaZulu-Natal to Creighton, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:59, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Sans Souci, KwaZulu-Natal to Sans Souci, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:30, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Kleinfontein, KwaZulu-Natal to Kleinfontein, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:30, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Watersmeet, KwaZulu-Natal to Watersmeet, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:26, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Dhlinza Forest, KwaZulu-Natal to Dhlinza Forest, KwaZulu–Natal - awaiting deletion of Dhlinza Forest redirect so this article can be moved to there.
 * ✅ 14:26, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Mooi River (KwaZulu-Natal) to Mooi River (KwaZulu–Natal) (more complicated series of moves and redirects to distinguish the town and multiple rivers)
 * ✅ 14:24, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Bluff, KwaZulu-Natal to Bluff, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:23, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Buffalo River (KwaZulu-Natal) to Buffalo River (KwaZulu–Natal) - requested at WP:RMT
 * ✅ 14:23, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Muden, KwaZulu-Natal to Muden, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:22, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Talana, KwaZulu-Natal to Talana, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:20, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck De Beer's Pass (KwaZulu-Natal) to De Beer's Pass, KwaZulu-Natal - requested at WP:RMT
 * ✅ 14:19, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck St Lucia, KwaZulu-Natal to St Lucia, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:18, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Pevensey, KwaZulu-Natal to Pevensey, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:18, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck St Faith’s, KwaZulu-Natal to St Faith’s, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:17, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Hermannsburg, KwaZulu-Natal to Hermannsburg, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:17, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Camperdown, KwaZulu-Natal to Camperdown, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:16, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Rosetta, KwaZulu-Natal to Rosetta, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:16, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Clermont, KwaZulu-Natal to Clermont, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:15, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Mayfield, KwaZulu-Natal to Mayfield, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:15, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Metrorail KwaZulu-Natal to Metrorail KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:14, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Clydesdale, KwaZulu-Natal to Clydesdale, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:13, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Ceza, KwaZulu-Natal to Ceza, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:12, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Luneburg, KwaZulu-Natal to Luneburg, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:12, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Edendale, KwaZulu-Natal to Edendale, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:10, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Thornville, KwaZulu-Natal to Thornville, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:10, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Frere, KwaZulu-Natal to Frere, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:09, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Glenwood, KwaZulu-Natal to Glenwood, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:09, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Bisi, KwaZulu-Natal to Bisi, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:09, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Donnybrook, KwaZulu-Natal to Donnybrook, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:57, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Marburg, KwaZulu-Natal to Marburg, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:57, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Nyoni, KwaZulu-Natal to Nyoni, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:55, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Anerley, KwaZulu-Natal to Anerley, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:55, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Illovo, KwaZulu-Natal to Illovo, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:54, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Tugela, KwaZulu-Natal to Tugela, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:54, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Chesterville, KwaZulu-Natal to Chesterville, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:50, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Driefontein, KwaZulu-Natal to Driefontein, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:50, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Ashburton, KwaZulu-Natal to Ashburton, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:48, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Cool Air, KwaZulu-Natal to Cool Air, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:47, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Belgrade, KwaZulu-Natal to Belgrade, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:46, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Hopewell, KwaZulu-Natal to Hopewell, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:46, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Mpumalanga, KwaZulu-Natal to Mpumalanga, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:44, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Munster, KwaZulu-Natal to Munster, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:44, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Trafalgar, KwaZulu-Natal to Trafalgar, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:23, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Doonside, KwaZulu-Natal to Doonside, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:23, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Cedarville, KwaZulu-Natal to Cedarville, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:23, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Drummond, KwaZulu-Natal to Drummond, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:23, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck All Saints Church, Maidstone, KwaZulu-Natal to All Saints Church (Maidstone)
 * ✅ 13:22, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Soobramoney v. Minister of Health, KwaZulu-Natal to Soobramoney v. Minister of Health, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:20, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Chatsworth, KwaZulu-Natal to Chatsworth, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:20, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Wentworth, KwaZulu-Natal to Wentworth, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:18, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Hillcrest, KwaZulu-Natal to Hillcrest, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:18, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Inanda, KwaZulu-Natal to Inanda, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:18, 14 October 2015 Bang4Buck Kingsburgh, KwaZulu-Natal to Kingsburgh, KwaZulu–Natal
 * 13:11, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck Osaka International Convention Center to Grand Cube Osaka
 * 10:40, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck Showa Women's University Hitomi Memorial Hall to Hitomi Kinen Kōdō
 * ✅ 10:25, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck New Germany, KwaZulu-Natal to New Germany, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 10:25, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck Umhlanga, KwaZulu-Natal to Umhlanga, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:01, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck Verulam, KwaZulu-Natal to Verulam, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:01, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck Westville, KwaZulu-Natal to Westville, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:01, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck Wentworth, Durban to Wentworth, KwaZulu-Natal
 * ✅ 09:00, 12 October 2015 Bang4Buck Chatsworth, Durban to Chatsworth, KwaZulu-Natal
 * ✅ 10:14, 9 October 2015 Bang4Buck Underberg, KwaZulu-Natal to Underberg, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 10:14, 9 October 2015 Bang4Buck Franklin, KwaZulu-Natal to Franklin, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 10:14, 9 October 2015 Bang4Buck Cedarville, South Africa to Cedarville, KwaZulu-Natal over redirect
 * ✅ 10:14, 9 October 2015 Bang4Buck Bulwer, KwaZulu-Natal to Bulwer, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:58, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Harding, KwaZulu-Natal to Harding, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:58, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Kelso, KwaZulu-Natal to Kelso, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:58, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Margate, KwaZulu-Natal to Margate, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:46, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Port Edward, KwaZulu-Natal to Port Edward, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:45, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Palm Beach, KwaZulu-Natal to Palm Beach, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:44, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Pennington, KwaZulu-Natal to Pennington, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:10, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Soobramoney v Minister of Health, KwaZulu–Natal to Soobramoney v. Minister of Health, KwaZulu-Natal
 * 09:08, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck 25×5: The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones to 25×5: the Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones
 * ✅ 09:07, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Ramsgate, KwaZulu-Natal to Ramsgate, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:07, 8 October 2015 Bang4Buck Shelly Beach, KwaZulu-Natal to Shelly Beach, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:57, 7 October 2015 Bang4Buck All Saints Church, KwaZulu-Natal to All Saints Church, Maidstone, KwaZulu-Natal
 * ✅ 07:31, 7 October 2015 Bang4Buck University of KwaZulu-Natal Botanical Garden to University of KwaZulu–Natal Botanical Garden
 * ✅ 07:31, 7 October 2015 Bang4Buck All Saints Church, Maidstone (KwaZulu Natal) to All Saints Church, KwaZulu-Natal
 * ✅ 07:30, 7 October 2015 Bang4Buck Green Point Lighthouse, KwaZulu-Natal to Green Point Lighthouse, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 07:30, 7 October 2015 Bang4Buck List of mountain passes of KwaZulu-Natal to List of mountain passes of KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:11, 6 October 2015 Bang4Buck Forests of KwaZulu-Natal to Forests of KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:11, 6 October 2015 Bang4Buck List of mountain passes of KwaZulu Natal to List of mountain passes of KwaZulu-Natal
 * ✅ 13:54, 6 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Dune Forest to KwaZulu–Natal Dune Forest
 * ✅ 13:54, 6 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal coastal lowland forest to KwaZulu–Natal coastal lowland forest
 * ✅ 15:24, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Youth Choir to KwaZulu–Natal Youth Choir
 * ✅ 15:24, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck Parks of KwaZulu-Natal to Parks of KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:23, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck List of heritage sites in KwaZulu-Natal to List of heritage sites in KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:23, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck Soobramoney v Minister of Health, KwaZulu-Natal to Soobramoney v Minister of Health, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:19, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck Hexagon Theatre (KwaZulu-Natal) to Hexagon Theatre (KwaZulu–Natal)
 * ✅ 15:18, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal wine to KwaZulu–Natal wine
 * ✅ 09:24, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck Balgowan, KwaZulu-Natal to Balgowan, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:15, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck Howick, KwaZulu-Natal to Howick, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:14, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck Hilton, KwaZulu-Natal to Hilton, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:07, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck Boston, KwaZulu-Natal to Boston, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:06, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Philharmonic Orchestra to KwaZulu–Natal Philharmonic Orchestra
 * ✅ 09:04, 5 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Sharks Board to KwaZulu–Natal Sharks Board
 * ✅ 10:22, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck Midlands of KwaZulu-Natal to Midlands of KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:57, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal National Botanical Garden to KwaZulu–Natal National Botanical Garden
 * ✅ 09:56, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Elimination and Prevention of Re-emergence of Slums Act, 2007 to KwaZulu–Natal Elimination and Prevention of Re-emergence of Slums Act, 2007
 * ✅ 09:14, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck Richmond, KwaZulu-Natal to Richmond, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 09:11, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Inland cricket team to KwaZulu–Natal Inland cricket team
 * ✅ 09:10, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck Wartburg, KwaZulu-Natal to Wartburg, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 08:28, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal cricket team to KwaZulu–Natal cricket team
 * ✅ 08:22, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck New Hanover, KwaZulu-Natal to New Hanover, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 08:22, 4 October 2015 Bang4Buck Merrivale, KwaZulu-Natal to Merrivale, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 16:27, 2 October 2015 Bang4Buck Dalton, KwaZulu-Natal to Dalton, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 16:26, 2 October 2015 Bang4Buck Dundee, KwaZulu-Natal to Dundee, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:04, 2 October 2015 Bang4Buck Glencoe, KwaZulu-Natal to Glencoe, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:03, 2 October 2015 Bang4Buck Greytown, KwaZulu-Natal to Greytown, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 15:00, 2 October 2015 Bang4Buck Pomeroy, KwaZulu-Natal to Pomeroy, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 14:59, 2 October 2015 Bang4Buck Colenso, KwaZulu-Natal to Colenso, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 12:02, 27 September 2015 Bang4Buck Ladysmith, KwaZulu-Natal to Ladysmith, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 11:57, 27 September 2015 Bang4Buck Winterton, KwaZulu-Natal to Winterton, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 11:31, 27 September 2015 Bang4Buck Melmoth, KwaZulu-Natal to Melmoth, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 11:28, 27 September 2015 Bang4Buck Pongola, KwaZulu-Natal to Pongola, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 11:22, 27 September 2015 Bang4Buck List of cities and towns in KwaZulu-Natal to List of cities and towns in KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 11:22, 26 September 2015 Bang4Buck Template:KwaZulu-Natal Province to Template:KwaZulu–Natal Province
 * ✅ 11:18, 26 September 2015 Bang4Buck List of municipalities in KwaZulu-Natal to List of municipalities in KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 11:18, 26 September 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Division to KwaZulu–Natal Division
 * ✅ 16:22, 24 September 2015 Bang4Buck Utrecht, KwaZulu-Natal to Utrecht, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 16:20, 24 September 2015 Bang4Buck Charlestown, KwaZulu-Natal to Charlestown, KwaZulu–Natal
 * 15:04, 24 September 2015 Bang4Buck A.C. Sangiustese to A. C. Sangiustese over redirect
 * ✅ 15:03, 24 September 2015 Bang4Buck Newcastle, KwaZulu-Natal to Newcastle, KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:09, 24 September 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal Legislature to KwaZulu–Natal Legislature
 * ✅ 10:20, 24 September 2015 Bang4Buck Premier of KwaZulu-Natal to Premier of KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 10:16, 24 September 2015 Bang4Buck KwaZulu-Natal to KwaZulu–Natal
 * ✅ 13:34, 23 September 2015 Bang4Buck Controversies at the University of KwaZulu-Natal to Controversies at the University of KwaZulu–Natal
 * 13:31, 23 September 2015 Bang4Buck 1000x to 1000×
 * 10:01, 23 September 2015 Bang4Buck 25x5: The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones to 25×5: The Continuing Adventures of the Rolling Stones
 * ✅ 12:59, 22 September 2015 Bang4Buck University of KwaZulu-Natal to University of KwaZulu–Natal
 * 11:05, 22 September 2015 Bang4Buck Benedict Vilakazi (soccer) to Benedict Vilakazi (association football)
 * ✅ 16:25, 21 September 2015 Bang4Buck University of Durban-Westville to University of Durban–Westville
 * Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I've removed all the Talk: page moves from the list, since the Talk page is automatically moved when you move the mainspace page. - htonl (talk) 10:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've moved back about 25 articles and their talk pages, going back in time through Bang4Buck's move log and hitting the revert button each time, but I haven't struck their names out from the list above. Will try to finish later. EdJohnston (talk) 17:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC
 * Looks like between us the whole lot is done. - htonl (talk) 19:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you and well done Wayne Jayes (talk) 21:04, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Merge Natal, South Africa
Natal, South Africa should be merged into this article as there isn't really any much different information in the previous article. Llightex (talk) 18:15, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, No, it shouldn't. First off, there isn't anything at "Natal, South Africa" that indicates this page (Kwa-Zulu Natal) would be the most suitable place to merge to; there are at least two other entities called Natal that would equally qualify. Second, there are more than 250 links to "Natal, South Africa", most of which (if the first half-dozen are anything to go by) aren't referring to the modern province of KZN at all, and shouldn't therefore be redirected to here (which would be the outcome of your merger). A better option, if you feel an article at "Natal, South Africa" is redundant, would be to reduce it to a disambiguation page, with the articles currently in the History section listed as targets. Moonraker12 (talk) 22:23, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * PS: In fact, if there are no objections, I'll do just that (in a week or so, anyway). Thoughts? Moonraker12 (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2017 (UTC)


 * I support making it a dab page. Wayne Jayes (talk) 07:06, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, done. I trust everyone is OK with that. Moonraker12 (talk) 20:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Is The Zulu King the King of KZN?
The Zulu monarch, also known as the King of the Zulu Nation, is a traditional leader of the Zulu people in South Africa. While the monarch holds significant cultural and historical significance, there is no legal basis for recognizing them as the King of KwaZulu-Natal (KZN) in the context of South Africa's constitutional democracy.

Here are some key points to consider:

1. *Constitutional framework*: South Africa is a unitary state with a constitutional democracy, as established by the Constitution of South Africa (1996). The Constitution does not provide for a monarch or a kingdom, but rather a democratic system of government. 2. *Provincial governance*: KwaZulu-Natal is one of the nine provinces in South Africa, governed by a provincial legislature and executive, as established by the Constitution. 3. *Traditional leadership*: The Zulu monarch is recognized as a traditional leader in terms of the Traditional Leadership and Governance Framework Act (2003), which acknowledges the role of traditional leaders in promoting cultural heritage and community development. 4. *No legal basis for kingship*: There is no legal basis for recognizing the Zulu monarch as the King of KZN, as this would require a significant departure from the constitutional framework and the system of government established by the Constitution.

Sources:

- Constitution of South Africa (1996) - Traditional Leadership and Governance Framework Act (2003) - KwaZulu-Natal Provincial Legislature - South African Government: Traditional Leadership

You can argue that while the Zulu monarch holds cultural significance, there is no legal basis for recognizing them as the King of KZN, and that any changes to the constitutional framework would require a significant overhaul of the country's democratic system. EuKoketsolion (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)