Talk:Kwangmyong (network)/Archive 1

Need more explanation
This is an interesting topic but I am finding the article hard to understand.

When the article says that there is an email program are we talking about:
 * A webmail system?
 * Email client software that is given to users to run on their PCs?
 * An email system which is separate from the internet?
 * Some other sort of messaging system?

Other things that could be added to the article: --DanielRigal (talk) 20:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Infrastructure and deployment: Are the users on dial up, ADSL or something else?
 * How many people have access?
 * What facilities are available?
 * What sort of PCs can be used? Is there special software or is it like a normal ISP?

Spam?
I wonder if this is the world's only system that probably gets very few if not any spam? Night Tracks (talk) 20:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Explanation
This is a "mock internet" type of Intranet service, similar to those found on school campuses in Australia (where you can check your classes, timetables, etc.) - There is no direct link between this and the internet, and so it is an isolated type of "mock internet" (as one may see it as). Think of it as a computer that can only access Yahoo websites (Y Mail, Y News, Y Briefcase, etc) and nothing else; this is what this is like. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs 11:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean "mock internet"? The title includes the word intranet, which simply means an internal network. It's not a mock anything, thousands of businesses world wide have their own intranet, it's nothing false or shady. 203.214.147.3 (talk) 11:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What I mean is that it is an intranet network used throughout North Korea, with various internet-like services, such as e-mail, web pages, etc. however it is not connected to the actual internet itself. Think of this example: within a school, we might have an intranet network, where students are able to send and recieve messages to each other, check their class timetables, and view class notes, however this intranet may not be connected to the internet itself; it might just be a series of offline pages on a local server, that are regularly updated and maintained, and are constantly editable by users. KMS is similar in concept - pages on an accessible server, while the internet itself is non-accessable. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 07:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Call it a national network. Not Internet and not intranet--MathFacts (talk) 01:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Biased?
The information on this page may have been written by a north korean. Certain grammer fragments and phrases make it seem suspect. I feel that the page needs a major rewrite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.133.245.245 (talk) 00:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's funny how you accuse me of being a North Korean, based on what you believe to be "certain grammer (grammar) fragments", when your edits to the article were full of horrible spelling and grammar mistakes, and sentences that made no sense. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 00:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And, just for the record, this article was de-stubbified by myself in 2010, as a direct word-for-word translation from zh:光明网 (朝鲜). I claim no authorship of anything, and am merely a translator, with the intention of adding additional content to what was once a two-sentence stub article. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 00:55, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

How is it implemented?
Does this "walled garden" effect (no matter what outside address you try to connect to, you always see the same government-produced website, which prevents access to outside websites) come from the ISP itself injecting packets into the network stream? Or is it instead implemented via DNS server that they use, so that it always redirects addresses for popular websites non-North-Koreaan websites like Facebook back to the government approved Kwangmyong system? I'm curious, and would personally like to access the Kwangmyong network to research it, but I live in the USA. If it is implemented through North Korea's ISP (via a deep packet inspection and injection technique), then it would be impossible for me to access, unless I decided to fly to North Korea for a vacation, and access it from within their country. If however, it is implemented through a DNS server, then all I would need to do would be to manually configure my computer to use the North Korean DNS server instead of the DNS server that my computer automatically selects by default. If anybody knows how this walled garden effect is implemented, please let me know. And if it is in fact implemented through a DNS server, please post the IP address of the DNS server in this Wikipedia article.

Animedude5555 (talk) 21:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * How? Kwangmyong is inaccessible from the global Internet because:
 * It is physically isolated.
 * It may use a IPv4 address space that overlaps with addresses allocated to other users by IANA.
 * Because it is isolated, there is very little information about Kwangmyong on the Internet or in the public domain. We can make educated guesses though. The fact that standard hardware and software is used means that the services and protocols are standard Internet ones like IPv4 and DNS. (Previously there were may national networks with non-standard protocols like Minitel in France. Kwangmyong is not one of them.)
 * It is possible that there are bridges that connect some services in Kwangmyong to corresponding services in the global Internet. The most likely to be implemented is a email bridge. For interoperability to exist Kwangmyong should share the global domain name hierarchy. Domain names predate the Internet; in the 1980s, before the advent of global IP connections, email was regularly exchanged between networks over dial up links using protocols like UUCP.
 * Kwangmyong may also have web proxies and web caches that allow access to pre-selected and approved web sites on the global internet. A web proxy is however one-way, it would not allow outsiders to access anything on Kwangmyong. In fact no foreigners are allowed to access the network. Quoting the The Star:
 * ''North Korea is so secretive about Bright, which it launched more than a decade ago, that it is off-limits to even the foreign technical advisers it brings in. It can be accessed only in the North and is meant exclusively for domestic use.
 * -- Petri Krohn (talk) 12:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Cuba and Myanmar
I could not verify the information that in Cuba and Myanmar similar networks exist. --Chricho ∀ (talk) 18:52, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I visited Cuba in January 2017, and they definitely have a network that is fully connected to the global internet. In fact, I now chat with Facebook friends in Cuba on a daily basis. I suggest removing the sentence in the article that mentions Burma and Cuba having similar internet systems to North Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.197.4.5 (talk) 04:51, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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found a screenshot
http://images.uncyclomedia.co/uncyclopedia/en/6/6b/DNlP6CU.png

recently a screenshot leaked of kwangmyong being viewed in MSIE 6 on Windows XP with the classic theme

please add it to the page so that people can see what kweangmyong looks like — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C1:BF01:5201:54BC:A29B:6CA2:30F2 (talk) 10:35, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Without You, There is No Us?
The North Korean intranet is discussed in sections of the book "Without You, There is No Us" by Suki Kim. This book was published as a memoir for marketing reasons but is actually narrative investigative journalism (there's a source for this fact I have to hunt down). Is this an admissible source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.2.235.39 (talk) 04:36, 14 November 2018 (UTC)