Talk:Kylver Stone

It is what it is
The runes on the Kylverstone are a love letter. A Love letter from a young Master oth Runes, only Men would study runes, Women went other sciences. This young Master oth Runes loved a young man called Julius. In a Stone he saw the face of his beloved. He wrote the Name Julius left above the image, so that Julius hold his name in his hand. His own name is only apparent for the skillful with runes. But because Love is the source of this letter, the name will be unveiled. The name of the young Master oth Runes was Jawjeni. The name Julius has 6 runes, the name Jawjeni 7 runes. The rune of Jawjeni and Julius was/is the branch with the 6 needles on the left side and 8 needles on the right side. 6 t-runes wich overlay 2 l-runes. It means, that Jwajeni saw himself as the 8 and Julius as the 6, two souls, connected by a primenumber, souls are even-numbered, in double trust, l-rune. His rune filled the connection to the 8 and to Julius. Their bond was happy, because Jawjeni used it and it is preserved (see foto). The image of the Julius is better visible with lower contrast and some greater brightness, by some time you realise many highlighted forms and patterns, probably reworked by Jawjeni, which seem very lovely.

How do you come about Jawjeni? The irregularities in the order, Mirror|runes and cracks in the FUTHARK - Order reveal his runes, chosen on the right job in the correct order.

It is a message also: The young Master oth Runes intended to made a deep spiritual-scientific message to the future: We are Lovepartners. Homosexuality is cool. Care for your boys. And surely for your girls, too. Otherwise he had not chosen to show such attitude about Jera.

Teo de Weiss, Master oth Runes

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The changes were meant to improve the English and the meaning. "...visible to the corpse" is POV anyway, because it assumes corpses can read. I changed "fuþark" to "futhark" because people will either not know how to pronounce "fuþark" or will pronounce it "foo-park". Jacquerie27 13:26, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * OK then sorry for being so picky about it. I had a bad day... Nixdorf 19:28, 2005 Jan 10 (UTC)

http://www.antalya-ws.com/futhark/FUTHP3E.HTM There is a different notion here about the Kylver Stone. --78.181.12.243 (talk) 06:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Another transliteration suggestion
The runes on the Kylver Stone are most probably not an Elder Futhark Rune listing but actually a real sentence with a specific meaning. The runes are exactly the same with the Orkhon Runic Alphabet developed by ancient Turkic people in Orkhon-Yenisey Basin. The Orkhon Script is read from right to left and in Turkish. It has 4 vowels and 34 consonants. Transliterating the sentence on the Kylver Stone with the Orkhon Script, the sounds are read as: gü tü s o k up o d y go n sı ka öt a ç nç ok ök id y n i şı ke l bi Reading this sentence from right to left as Orkhon script is read, the whole sentence was exactly like: bilke ışı inyid ök okunça öt akısın goydo upu kösütüg The meaning of each word in modern Turkish and modern English are as follows: bilke: bilge; wise man, wisdom ışı: ışık; light inyid: indi; has landed, has arrived ök: kendisi; in person, him/her/itself okunça: okunun ucuyla; with the tip of his/her/its arrow öt: söylediği; the words he/she/it speaks akısın: ağızının; of/from his/her/its mouth goydo: koydu; carved upu: bu; this kösütüg: dikili sütun; erect stone So the sentence reads in modern Turkish and English respectively as: Bilge ışığı indi,kendisi okunun ucuyla, ağzından çıkan sözleri oydu bu dik taşa The light of wisdom has arrived, it carved words from its mouth, on to this erect stone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sndilek (talk • contribs) 19:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC) This script is in old Gokturk Alphabet ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Turkic_alphabet). The English translation is "Wise man light descended he, himself, carved with arrow point his sayings onto this column ". Script is read from right to left. Letters first three letters "ŋ d o" are not read as "Odin" but in fact read as "Blk" or "Bilke") http://www.antalyaonline.net/futhark/FUTHP3E.HTM I think ODIN was not a God but a Gokturk wiseman BILKE, only... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metyon (talk • contribs) 20:25, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Please refrain from adding original research to this article. In other words, if it's published and it isn't academic, we don't need it here. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 05:26, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Why [f] and [w]?
In the runic font line, the ᚠ and ᚹ rune are not given, and their transliteration put in brackets ([f] / [w]). Why? -- 145.228.61.5 (talk) 13:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Also wondering this. The photograph of the inscription clearly includes these runes, so why are they treated as if they're not present in the inscription and merely postulated? 128.84.126.153 (talk) 04:57, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Twig rune
The “spruce-like” rune looks a lot like a twig rune. Twig runes were used in ciphers, and were basically an array of two values, namely the sum of the “twigs” on the left side of the stalk and of the right, respectively. As can be read on its page, the elder futhark is divided into three ættir of eight runes each. The first value referred to the ætt, the second value referred to the rune within that ætt, like a co-ordinate system. Everything I have said thus far can be read about on page 50 in the book Run-lära by Johan Gustaf Liljegren; old as it is, this book remains one of the key works of literature on the subject.

Now for the speculative part. If this is a twig rune, it would have the value 6:8, as there are six twigs on the left side and eight on the right. There are three ættir with eight runes each. 6:8 is (1+2+3):8; all three ættir represented, all eight in each ætt. The twig rune might say “this is the complete futhark”. Alternatively, it might have been used to demonstrate the concept of twig runes; the article does say that it has been suggested that the stone was once used for instruction. Konaya (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2017 (UTC)