Talk:Kyoto Shoshidai

Tsuchiya Masanobu
I don't know what to make of this? In due course, these citations can become useful somewhere, probably. --Tenmei (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) In 1783, Kuze Hirotami was replaced by Tsuchiya Masanobu, who was "previously governor of Miyako (kyōto machi bugyō).<:ref>Screech, p. 19, citing Deshima Dagregisters, 9/67.
 * 2) Tsuchiya in 1984-1785 had 3000 koku as hereditary stipend + 1000 koku as Nagasaki governor's salary.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n64.
 * 3) Kurihara Morisada who had previously been Nagasaki bugyō, was promoted to Shogunal financial administrator or Kanjō-bugyō.<:ref>Screech, p. 222 n81.

Alternate sequence
A chronological list of Kyoto shoshidai of the Tokugawa shogunate is the most obvious way to parse the subject; but it isn't the only or even necessarily the best way to proceed. The following re-sorts the serial list by clan relationships. Okudaira comes first because the first of any series with an unknown (and unknowable) duration is unique a priori. Thereafter, the clans are listed in the order of the earliest member of the sub-set -- that is, the Makino are positioned before the Inaba because Itakura Katsuhige came before Inaba Masamichi in the chronological sequence. Whether this alternative listing format is better -- or revealing -- remains undiscovered at this point, but for the moment, it may make it a little easier for me to cross-check intra-clan relationships .... -- '''Okudaira clan -- Itakura clan &mdash; ✅ -- +Makino clan &mdash; ✅ -- Toda clan -- +Inaba clan &mdash; ✅ -- Naitō clan -- Matsudaira clan -- Mizuno clan -- +Sakai clan &mdash; ✅ -- Abe clan -- Doi clan -- +Ōta clan &mdash; ✅ --- Miscellaneous
 * 1 Okudaira Nobumasa (1600-1601)
 * 2 Itakura Katsushige (1601-1619)
 * 3 Itakura Shigemune (1619-1654)
 * 5 Itakura Shigenori (1668-1670)
 * 3 Makino Chikashige (1654-1668) &mdash; ✅
 * 17 Makino Hideshige (1724-1734) &mdash; ✅
 * 19 Makino Sadamichi (1742-1749) &mdash; ✅
 * 28 Makino Sadanaga (1781-1784) &mdash; ✅
 * 32 Makino Tadakiyo (1798-1801) &mdash; ✅
 * 48 Makino Tadamasa (1840-1843) &mdash; ✅
 * 55 Makino Tadayuki (1862-1863) &mdash; ✅
 * 7 Toda Tadamasa (1678-1681)
 * 28 Toda Tadatō (1784-1789)
 * 8th Inaba Masamichi (1681-1685) &mdash; ✅
 * 34 Inaba Masanobu (1804-1806) &mdash; ✅
 * 55 Inaba Masakuni (1863-1864) &mdash; ✅
 * 10 Naitō Shigeyori (1687-1690)
 * 39 Naitō Nobuatsu (1823-1825)
 * 49 Naitō Nobuchika (1850-1851)
 * 11th Matsudaira Nobuoki (1690-1691)
 * 13 Matsudaira Nobutsune (1697-1714)
 * 15 Matsudaira Tadachika (1717-1724)
 * 19 Matsudaira Sukekuni (1749-1752)
 * 21 Matsudaira Terutaka (1756-1758)
 * 38 Matsudaira Norihiro (1818-1823)
 * 40 Matsudaira Yasutō (1825-1826)
 * 42 Matsudaira Muneakira (1828-1832)
 * 44 Matsudaira Nobuyori (1834-1837)
 * 53 Matsudaira Munehide (1862)
 * 56 Matsudaira Sadaaki (1864-1867)
 * 14th Mizuno Tadayuki (1714-1717)
 * 41 Mizuno Tadakuni (1826-1828)
 * 21 Sakai Tadamochi (1752-1756) &mdash; ✅
 * 37 Sakai Tadayuki (1808-1815) &mdash; ✅
 * 49 & 53 Sakai Tadaaki (1843-1850) &mdash; ✅
 * 55 Sakai Tadaaki (2nd time; 1858-1862) &mdash; ✅
 * 23 Abe Masasuke (1760-1764)
 * 24 Abe Masachika (1764-1768)
 * 35 Abe Masayoshi (1806-1808)
 * 25 Doi Toshisato (1769-1777)
 * 32 Doi Toshiatsu (1801-1802)
 * 45 Doi Toshitsura (1837-1838)
 * 30 Ōta Sukeyoshi (1789-1782) &mdash; ✅
 * 44 Ōta Sukemoto (1832-1834) &mdash; ✅
 * 6 Nagai Naotsune (1670-1678)
 * 9 Tsuchiya Masanao (1685-1687)
 * 12 Ogasawara Nagashige (1691-1697) &mdash; ✅
 * 17 Toki Yoritoshi (1734-1742)
 * 22 Inoue Masatsune (1758-1760)
 * 26 Kuze Hiroakira (1777-1781)
 * 30 Hotta Masanari (1792-1798)
 * 33 Aoyama Tadayasu (1802-1804)
 * 37 Ōkubo Tadazane (1815-1818)
 * 46 Manabe Akikatsu (1838-1840)
 * 50 Wakisaka Yasuori (1851-1857)
 * 51 Honda Tadamoto (1857-1858)

I wonder: Does this listing format invite any questions? comments? suggestions? --Tenmei (talk) 18:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kamakura shogunate
I wonder if this article might be improved by something like the following:

Kyoto shoshidai of the Kamakura period
References
 * Mass, Jeffrey P. (1976). The Kamakura Bakufu: A Study in Documents. Stanford:Stanford University Press. 10-ISBN 0-804-70907-6

If not now, perhaps at some other time in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)