Talk:L'Arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat

All Wrong!?
Urban legends spreading wildly?! This film was NOT screened on december 28th 1895. It is NOT listed among the ten films on the programme, as it is correctly indicated on the Lumière page, and shown at the Lumière Institute's homepage. In the two reference books I'm using (Bernard Chardère: Les Lumière; Rittaud-Hutinet: Le Cinéma des origines) there is no date of the first screening of this film. In Rittaud-Hutinet is an illustration of the film, with the note: "Arrivée d'un train à La Ciotat - 653 - (Louis Lumière) (1896-1897)". While the press reports about the first screening in december mention only the films on the list, L'Arrivée en Gare is quoted by two eye witnesses who attended screenings in January 1896, in Paris and Lyon (Chardère, p.102 and 105). Both of them were children at that time and interviewed many years later, so it's not such a precise information - but January 1896 seems the best guess. 1904.CC 01:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

And BTW: It was first screened on December 28, 1895 in Paris, France, and was shown to a paying audience January 6, 1896. As stated on the Lumière page, the screening on December 28 1895 wasn't a free screening - admission was charged (1 franc). At the day of the premiere, several other screenings were held. (Src: Rittaud-Hutinet, Jacques. (1985). Le cinéma des origines, p.32). It isn't very clear what the 6th January stands for (couln't find this date in my references).

Licensing
Previously a link to the video on youtube was removed citing "no license stated". I've re-instated it. The film was created in 1895. It's well and truly in the public domain now, no matter where it is being displayed. -- Ch&#39;marr 21:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

reply: I'm afraid you're wrong, it's not in the public domain yet. Louis Lumière died in 1948. According to current copyright laws, his work will enter the public domain only 70 years after his death, which will be in... 2018! On the other hand given it's historical importance, it can be considered 'fair use' IMO. But archive.org would be a more suitable place to upload it than youtube... 1904.CC 00:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

reply: "This work will enter the public domain only 70 years after his death"

That applies to literary works, not films. The film is out of copyright.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_in_the_public_domain_in_the_United_States#Date_of_publication - Karel Bata (talk) 11:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

The film is NOT in public domain. See Copyright law of France. This is not US-Wikipedia. --94.221.90.190 (talk) 16:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

If I May
help with something then let me correct this article´s heading. It correctly reads L´arrivée d´un train à la gare de la Ciotat. 80.219.135.11 10:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC) --Filmtechniker

Indeed the articles heading isn't capitalised correctly. According to most sources the french title is: L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat. La Ciotat takes a capitalised L because it's part of the town's name. Common names are usually not capitalised in french. In film titles, sometimes they are, and based on the reprints of the "programmes" of early screenings, capitalisation isn't always consistent. But the titles most often used are: L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat and Arrivée d'un train à La Ciotat.

So the title of the page should be changed either to:

L'arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat

or

L'Arrivée d'un Train en Gare de La Ciotat

bzzp 21:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

First Movie Ever?
I've often seen this cited as the first cinema film ever screened to the public, although I have also heard that this is a popular misconception. Can anyone confirm or deny this? It seems highly relevant and worth adding to the article. I've also noticed a distinct lack of reference to this film in other Wikipedia articles on the history of film.86.141.145.124 13:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a misconception: you can see the program of the Lumière's first screening here, and it doesn't include L'Arrivée d'un train en gare de La Ciotat. They started with Workers Leaving the Lumiere Factory. Skarioffszky 12:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Urban Legend ?
''The film is associated with an urban legend well-known in the world of cinema. The story goes that when the film was first shown, the audience was so overwhelmed by the moving image of a life-sized train coming directly at them that people screamed and ran to the back of the room.'' Actually, what follows doesn't really disprove the fact that people screamed and ran away. Martin Loiperdinger has "doubted the veracity of the fact", but he wasn't born, how could he know ? Anyway, even if it was a urban legend, there's no way we could be 100% sure about it, now. And "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ;)

The train in the 3D version does NOT come out of the screen
The train only ever reaches the screen plane. Here is the 1935 film on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvCeB4Vrh0

You do not need 3D glasses to see that the train only ever reaches the screen plane - look at the left edge of frame at 21 seconds. What *does* appear to emerge from the screen are the passengers getting on and off the train after the train has stopped.

Hard to imagine anyone panicking at the sight of this, particularly at a 1935 meeting of the French Academy of Science! - Karel Bata (talk) 11:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

The Lumière camera had three functions: Camera, printer and projector with an additional lamphouse
In the text it was mentioned two times that the camera could be used as a "developer", which is quite impossible. I corrected that in one spot, but the mistake can still be seen in the text accompanying the picture of the camera. I do not know yet how to edit that. Can somebody help, please? CustodianAtEYE (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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NOT the Original video
The .ogv file for this page is NOT the original film! The original film is indexed as Lumière No. 653 on the Internet Archive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomkennyjapan (talk • contribs) 13:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

“Cinematic Techniques” section is ridiculous
I would remove it myself but a bot would just undo it. The content of the Cinematic Techniques section of the article is a complete ass-pull of trying to find as many filmmaking words it can claim were invented by this film completely out of context. A locked-down camera at a fixed angle pointed toward an approaching train from the safest location to do so is not what I would call “the invention of the ‘camera angle’” much less trying to reverse engineer short, medium, and long shots from it. There’s also no forced-perspective. I think the section is embarrassing and overwrought. It’s undeniably a hugely important historical artifact but trying to claim it invented the close-up is pure absurdity. I request a consensus be formed around its removal or re-writing using proper sources for analysis. 68.43.66.15 (talk) 01:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)