Talk:L'Shana Haba'ah

"Return to Jerusalem"
The desire is not to return to Jerusalem, but to return to the "rebuilt Jerusalem" – i.e. the time when the Third Temple in Jerusalem will be built and the messianic redemption will take place. Yoninah (talk) 16:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I noted in the lead and background sections that L'Shana Haba'ah evokes a desire to return to a rebuilt Yerushalaim, but I agree that this should be explained in more detail. I will expand the background section to provide relevant context. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Oldest English reference
I am trying to find the oldest English reference to the phrase "Next Year in Jerusalem". Searching on google books I find nothing of relevance before the 20th century, which surely must be wrong given the prominence of the phrase today. Any ideas of places to look for this would be appreciated. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't help you. I'm not sure why you need an English reference anyway, since it is just the translation of a Hebrew phrase that dates back to the Yom Kippur machzor. Interestingly, there are plenty of books that call themselves by this name. Yoninah (talk) 19:55, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Levine page 9
where on page 9 of Levine does it support the sentence "the sentiment of longing for a return to Jerusalem is reflected in the ancient Haggadot"? I have read it a dozen times in case I am missing something, but it definitely isn't there.

Also, the clauses you added after "...and the Talmud..." read very awkwardly, and appear oddly defensive. Who cares that this other stuff exists? Your new sentences added at the beginning of the paragraph provide more than enough context. I don't mind and won't remove it, I just think it could do with rethinking. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * A weird question to ask about other stuff, no one cares that the exact phrase isn't in the Talmud, the desire is seen throughout. And this is after you misquoted the sources, claiming Sefer HaMinhagim was the first use, when it was merely the first time the custom was recorded in writing. That whole sentence is certainly undue. The bits about Rambam (aka Maimonidies) (not Ramban, as you misspelled his name earlier) hoping for the opportunity to complete the Korban Pesach in the rebuilt Jerusalem, and described as echoing the sentiment of Rabbi Gamliel. Drsmoo (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, so I didn't miss anything. You were just proposing to include WP:OR. The part of p.9 about the Rambam you are referring to is: "But in the Yemenite manuscripts, the brachah concludes: גואל ישראל! Not that God redeemed us in the past; but that he’s redeeming us in the present! Because the Rambam is dreaming – hoping – for the time when we’ll be able to observe the Pesach Seder as it was meant to be observed – in Jerusalem eating the Korban Pesach." This is the author of the paper interpreting romantically the difference in tense in the single word "גאל" vs. "גואל".
 * So logically the best you could write accurately would be: "the sentiment of longing for a return to observing the Pesach Seder as it is meant to be observed may be reflected in the Yemeni translations of the Rambam's Haggadot, through the use of the present tense of the word Hebrew word for redeem, although at no point is Jerusalem named or directly implied in this".
 * If you want to support the sentence "the sentiment of longing for a return to Jerusalem is reflected in the ancient Haggadot", you'll need a source that actually says that.
 * Oncenawhile (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * PS - you mispelled the Rambam's name - it is Maimonides (not Maimonidies, as you misspelled his name earlier). Oncenawhile (talk) 22:58, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Citing a reliable source isn't original research. PS you misspelled misspelled Drsmoo (talk) 23:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I definitely admit defeat in the misspelling competition. Our little spelling tête–à–tête made me laugh. Oncenawhile (talk) 23:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)