Talk:Lèse-majesté in Thailand

NPOV (May 2014)
The page is full of biased statements and assertions that cannot be proven, one of which is shown below. These need to be edited to a higher standard.

``When the Thai King is unfairly criticized, most Thais feel like their own parent is being attacked and cannot accept it – much in the same way that Thais do not accept anyone demeaning the Buddha or even statues that represent him.''

Satire and irony
I restored satire from Not The Nation left behind when this article was budded off, to a new section, Satirical reaction. Satire and irony, properly sourced and in proper context, belong in articles on controversial subjects. As to "proper context," I also linked the satirical articles in Individual cases at conclusion of sentence on Harry Nicolaides = 58a; first mention of Joe Gordon = 58b. This makes the new section's original block quote  = 58c. Adding to individual case "Uncle SMS" makes it = 78a] and satirical response  = 78b. Permission to use the block quote stands alone at [79]. Any editor who considers that a problem can simply search and delete NTN refs from individual cases. As for irony, I'll leave it here in Incarceration of Daniel Chong vs. red link for Incarceration of Joe Gordon. --Pawyilee (talk) 09:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Why is it here at all though? I know it is satire but I doubt that is the reason they got basic facts wrong (Corby was arrested for smuggling cannabis not heroin, isn't blonde, press coverage on her guilt is mixed, the arrest/gaoling of the Australian in Thailand was widely reported). The context isn't proper because it gets the basic underlying context wrong. I really think there needs to be more consideration of deleting the passage. I'm all for a section on criticism of the laws or reporting on the problems of foreigners in Thailand in this regard but this particular piece is clumbsily written and adds nothing to the article. Tigerman2005 (talk) 01:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Cut it to just a few lines and leave the links, which I just archived using WebCite®. I'd do it myself, but any summary by me would be clumb-silly written. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * How about this version?"[moved to article" --Pawyilee (talk) 05:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Clumb-silly shortening moved to article space. --Pawyilee (talk) 07:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah Kong, a.k.a. "Uncle SMS"
This link might be of use to this article, or the article about the individual, http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/293489/sympathy-for-ampon-has-many-roots. --No parking here (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Why is block quote no longer applicable?
"The irony is that the red shirts are crying out against Section 112, yet they don't demonstrate to demand that the Pheu Thai-led government lead the effort to reform or abolish the lese majeste law. The government they elected is the government that devoutly defends the law that sent Ah Kong to prison." (--add new cases above block quote, for as long as it remains applicable --) --Pawyilee (talk) 06:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * CACHING FAILED

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/293037/tools-fools The caching attempt failed for the following reason: No files could be downloaded for the given URL. This is likely because a) The URL is incorrect, b) The site in question refuses connections by crawling robots, [articles over 60 days olde require a subscription] or c) The site in question is inaccessible from the WebCite network

--Pawyilee (talk) 11:45, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Academic search
DuckDuckGo has a "!Bang command" best explained by the site, itself. "!Academic Lèse majesté in Thailand" returned these: David Streckfuss Journal: Comparative Studies in Society and History - COMP STUD SOC HIST, vol. 37, no. 03, 1995 DOI: 10.1017/S0010417500019769 --Pawyilee (talk) 08:25, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Kings in the Age of Nations: The Paradox of Lèse-Majesté as Political Crime in Thailand  (Citations: 4)
 * Sacred Nationalism: The Thai Monarchy and Primordial Nation Construction. Jack Fong. A sociological reading of Thailand's monarchistic legacy is employed to identify cultural themes and practices of nation construction. It is demonstrated how, after the end of absolute monarchy in 1932, royalist networks of Thailand's first constitutional king, Bhumibol Adulyadej, reinforced the staying power of his rule and the institution of constitutional monarchy with primordial themes. The themes functioned to sacralise the nation as rooted in a glorious past as well as legitimise the king's place and continued relevance in Thai politics. Within this context, primordial simulacra derived from the Siamese empire, Buddhism and rekindled royal ceremonies from antiquity were reassembled for nationalistic purposes. As a result, the sacralising of the Thai nation has rendered the king a sacred nationalist, a type of nationalist that synchronises the real and ethereal to construct nation, a process that elevated the country's traditional authority system to respond to the undesirable consequences of twentieth century modernisation. Journal: Journal of Contemporary Asia - J CONTEMP ASIA, vol. 39, no. 4, pp. 673-696, 2009. DOI: 10.1080/00472330903077030

Trivia?
Trivial?

Analysis: Thailand’s lese majeste law erodes the judiciary
This would add to the article, but I'm too tired write now to try to incorporate it. --Pawyilee (talk) 16:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Analysis: Thailand’s lese majeste law erodes the judiciary

Lech Tomasz Kisielwicz
The article gives the date of the Lech Tomasz Kisielwicz case as 2007, but it appears it was actually 1995 (http://www.liberation.fr/monde/1995/01/07/lech-tomasz-kisielewicz_120856 (FR)).

The citation also does not name Lech anywhere. And from other sources, the claim sounds contradicting, as they mention it was a derogatory statement rather than switching of reading lights. ( http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26936 )

Also the citation given is behind a paywall, but judging by the headline it may not be relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.152.57 (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Number of cases filed by police, 2007-2017
Your information is useful for the article, but I think it should be formatted to a floating table with the paragraph "Between the May 2014 coup and the beginning of October 2017, ..." put in Post-2014 coup section. --Horus (talk) 13:46, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Good input. Are you proposing to do it? If so, bravo! Seligne (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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Prelim check
If you are available, please give a prelim check before I re-nominate the article for GA. Thank you. --Horus (talk) 13:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi - I still see quite a few references that are incomplete eg missing publication date or publication title or translation of title ... ref numbers 27,30(should be Financial Times, not FT),32,34,73-79,86,90,93,95..all have problems. there's possibly more.  There's still a lot of grammar mistakes, it really needs a thorough copy edit.  You might want to consider making a request at the copy editors guild page. I could give it a try, but I'll not be able to do anything for a couple of weeks.--Goldsztajn (talk) 01:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

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