Talk:Lê dynasty

Copyright violation?
This article cites two books as sources at the bottom: "Việt Nam Sử Lược by Tran Trong Kim" and "Việt Sử Toàn Thư by Phạm Văn Sơn". Does anyone know if they're still under copyright? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * To answer my own question, I'm pretty sure that the text of Việt Nam Sử Lược is in the public domain. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 23:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

To be like Vietnamese article, this page should redirect to "Later Le Dynasty". JacquesNguyen (talk) 08:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC) This dynasty had two Lê Chiêu Tông ?203.162.3.165 (talk) 12:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you're probably confused between Lê Chiêu Tông and Lê Chiêu Thống. DHN (talk) 18:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Emergence of the Le
http://books.google.com/books?id=bYUncAAACAAJ&dq=china+factor+southeast+asia+fifteenth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ido3U6rVHKa-sQTM_IH4Dw&ved=0CDQQ6wEwAA

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/248395427_The_Ming_factor_and_the_Emergence_of_the_Viet_in_the_15th_century

Pages 83-103

Page 95-96

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Tana_Li/publication/248395427_The_Ming_factor_and_the_Emergence_of_the_Viet_in_the_15th_century/file/60b7d51df84438389a.pdf

http://art-hanoi.com/toda/16.html

03:02, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Neo Confucianism as the state ideology
http://books.google.com/books?id=3Rg8sjahb3QC&pg=PA35#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=v2yiyLLOj88C&pg=PA426#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://khoavanhoc.edu.vn/attachments/859_VIETNAMESE%20SPIRITUALITY.DOC

http://khoavanhoc.edu.vn/attachments/381_Liam%20Kelley_%20Confucianism%20in%20Vietnam,%202006.pdf.

Dai Viet campaigns and attacks against Melaka, Champa, Lan Xang (Laos), Ryukyu
Cham–Vietnamese War (1471)

Chiến tranh Đại Việt - Lan Xang (1478-1480)

Chiến tranh Đại Việt-Chiêm Thành (1471)

http://www.ari.nus.edu.sg/docs/wps/wps03_011.pdf

http://www.aafv.org/spip.php?action=acceder_document&arg=2559&cle=a72c793f4c842206ab899315a3419d33a4609888&file=pdf%2FSunLaichen_ChineseStyleFirearmsInDaiViet.pdf

http://www.jstor.org/stable/20072535?

Military Technology Transfers from Ming China and the Emergence of Northern Mainland Southeast Asia (c. 1390-1527) Sun Laichen Journal of Southeast Asian Studies Vol. 34, No. 3 (Oct., 2003), pp. 495-517 Published by: Cambridge University Press on behalf of Department of History, National University of Singapore Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20072535 Page Count: 23

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZvWrAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA111&dq=1480,+according+to+Chinese+spies,+Dai+Viet+forces+took+20+of+Lan+Xang's+strong-+points+and+killed+“over+20,000”+Lao.+...+Tra+Toan+was+captured,+Laos+collapsed,+Ryukyu+was+defeated+.+.+.+the+barbarians+in+the+four+directions+surrendered,+.+.+.+the+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jaY3U5buJompsQSo-oHYDw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=1480%2C%20according%20to%20Chinese%20spies%2C%20Dai%20Viet%20forces%20took%2020%20of%20Lan%20Xang's%20strong-%20points%20and%20killed%20“over%2020%2C000”%20Lao.%20...%20Tra%20Toan%20was%20captured%2C%20Laos%20collapsed%2C%20Ryukyu%20was%20defeated%20.%20.%20.%20the%20barbarians%20in%20the%20four%20directions%20surrendered%2C%20.%20.%20.%20the%20...&f=false

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=collapsed%2C+Ryukyu+was+defeated%2C+Cam+Cong+fled+and+died%2C+the+barbarians+in+the+four+directions+surrendered%2C+wind+blew+from+the+eight+directions.+%5BDuring+his%5D+thirty+-eight-year+rule%2C+the+country+was+peaceful+and+well+governed.+How+spectacular+...&btnG=#q=However%2C+this+so+far+is+not+substantiated+by+other+sources+and+the+records+on+the+Ryukyu+side%2C+as+the+Rekidai+hoan+(the+precious+records+of+the+consecutive+dynasties)%2C+are&tbm=bks

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104&dq=However,+this+so+far+is+not+substantiated+by+other+sources+and+the+records+on+the+Ryukyu+side,+as+the+Rekidai+hoan+(the+precious+records+of+the+consecutive+dynasties),+are&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QdZKU_bTNvKssASljoHYCg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=However%2C%20this%20so%20far%20is%20not%20substantiated%20by%20other%20sources%20and%20the%20records%20on%20the%20Ryukyu%20side%2C%20as%20the%20Rekidai%20hoan%20(the%20precious%20records%20of%20the%20consecutive%20dynasties)%2C%20are&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA105&dq=collapsed,+Ryukyu+was+defeated,+Cam+Cong+fled+and+died,+the+barbarians+in+the+four+directions+surrendered,+wind+blew+from+the+eight+directions.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=G6Y3U7DhAo3NsQS8hYLADA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=collapsed%2C%20Ryukyu%20was%20defeated%2C%20Cam%20Cong%20fled%20and%20died%2C%20the%20barbarians%20in%20the%20four%20directions%20surrendered%2C%20wind%20blew%20from%20the%20eight%20directions.&f=false

Title	Ming-Southeast Asian overland interactions, 1368-1644 Author	Laichen Sun Publisher	University of Michigan, 2000

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http://books.google.com/books?id=o4QfAQAAMAAJ&q=However,+this+so+far+is+not+substantiated+by+other+sources+and+the+records+on+the+Ryukyu+side,+as+the+Rekidai+hoan+(the+precious+records+of+the+consecutive+dynasties),+are&dq=However,+this+so+far+is+not+substantiated+by+other+sources+and+the+records+on+the+Ryukyu+side,+as+the+Rekidai+hoan+(the+precious+records+of+the+consecutive+dynasties),+are&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QdZKU_bTNvKssASljoHYCg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ

http://books.google.com/books?id=o4QfAQAAMAAJ&q=In+1485,+Dai+Viet+included+Malacca+on+the+list+of+tributary+countries+such+as+Champa,+Lang+Sang,+Ayudhya,+and+Java.1221+According+to+a+Vietnamese+source,+Dai+Viet+during+the+late+Hong-duc+reign+(1470-97)+also+subdued+Ryukyu+(+Liuqiu).&dq=In+1485,+Dai+Viet+included+Malacca+on+the+list+of+tributary+countries+such+as+Champa,+Lang+Sang,+Ayudhya,+and+Java.1221+According+to+a+Vietnamese+source,+Dai+Viet+during+the+late+Hong-duc+reign+(1470-97)+also+subdued+Ryukyu+(+Liuqiu).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M6c3U9ewKeLQsQSL7IGoBg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=o4QfAQAAMAAJ&q=The+details+of+Dai+Viet's+attempted+aggression+are+not+available,+but+it+seems+that+Malacca+was+directly+threatened+in+...+expanded+the+territories;+Tra+Toan+was+captured,+Laos+collapsed,+Ryukyu+was+defeated,+Cam+Cong+fled+and+died,+the&dq=The+details+of+Dai+Viet's+attempted+aggression+are+not+available,+but+it+seems+that+Malacca+was+directly+threatened+in+...+expanded+the+territories;+Tra+Toan+was+captured,+Laos+collapsed,+Ryukyu+was+defeated,+Cam+Cong+fled+and+died,+the&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kKU3U7tck6-wBKa0gZAG&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=o4QfAQAAMAAJ&q=According+to+Mao+Qiling+(hezhi+Mansi,+vol.+10,+p.+Lb),+Le+Thanh-tong+led+90,000+troops+to+invade+Lan+Sang+but+were+chased+by+%5Bthe+troops+of%5D+Malacca,+and+30,000+soldiers+died.+It+is+hard+to+explain+how+this+happened&dq=According+to+Mao+Qiling+(hezhi+Mansi,+vol.+10,+p.+Lb),+Le+Thanh-tong+led+90,000+troops+to+invade+Lan+Sang+but+were+chased+by+%5Bthe+troops+of%5D+Malacca,+and+30,000+soldiers+died.+It+is+hard+to+explain+how+this+happened&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g6Q3U7m0DKGosATh8oCgBQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=o4QfAQAAMAAJ&q=However,+this+so+far+is+not+substantiated+by+other+sources+and+the+records+on+the+Ryukyu+side,+as+the+Rekidai+hoan+(the+precious+records+of+the+consecutive+dynasties),+are&dq=However,+this+so+far+is+not+substantiated+by+other+sources+and+the+records+on+the+Ryukyu+side,+as+the+Rekidai+hoan+(the+precious+records+of+the+consecutive+dynasties),+are&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RKY3U820O5SmsQSV4oCwAQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ

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http://books.google.com/books?id=FNGGAAAAIAAJ&q=Though+Marrison+translated+Rakiu+as+Formosa,+it+should+be+understood+as+Ryukyu+kingdom,+and+it+is+likely+that+the+relations+...+Ceramics+and+silk+Confronted+with+Malacca+and+Ryukyu,+both+of+which+took+sides+with+Champa,+Dai-Viet+may+have+...&dq=Though+Marrison+translated+Rakiu+as+Formosa,+it+should+be+understood+as+Ryukyu+kingdom,+and+it+is+likely+that+the+relations+...+Ceramics+and+silk+Confronted+with+Malacca+and+Ryukyu,+both+of+which+took+sides+with+Champa,+Dai-Viet+may+have+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6KY3U4DMLsTLsQSr4YCQBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=fjsEn3w4TPgC&pg=PA365&dq=1999.+“A+Short+Introduction+to+Champa+Studies.”+In+The+Dry+Areas+in+Southeast+Asia,+Fukui+Hayao,+65—74.+Kyoto:+Center+for+Southeast+Asian+Studies,+Kyoto+University.+.+2008.+“Was+Dai+Viet+a+Rival+of+Ryukyu.”+In+China+and+Southeast+Asia,+ed.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tqY3U_nwM-q2sASk64DwAQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=1999.%20“A%20Short%20Introduction%20to%20Champa%20Studies.”%20In%20The%20Dry%20Areas%20in%20Southeast%20Asia%2C%20Fukui%20Hayao%2C%2065—74.%20Kyoto%3A%20Center%20for%20Southeast%20Asian%20Studies%2C%20Kyoto%20University.%20.%202008.%20“Was%20Dai%20Viet%20a%20Rival%20of%20Ryukyu.”%20In%20China%20and%20Southeast%20Asia%2C%20ed.&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=-01JisWpJbEC&pg=PA383&dq=115+Momoki+Shiro,+“Was+Dai+Viet+a+Rival+of+Ryukyu+within+the+Tributary+Trade+System+of+the+Ming+during+the+Early+Le+Period?”+(ms).+On+Dai+Viet's+foreign+trade+and+bullion+flows+in+this+period,+see+too+Sakurai,+“Age+of+Commerce,”+2;+Abu+Ridho,+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-6Y3U4_YNLe1sASjo4D4Dg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=115%20Momoki%20Shiro%2C%20“Was%20Dai%20Viet%20a%20Rival%20of%20Ryukyu%20within%20the%20Tributary%20Trade%20System%20of%20the%20Ming%20during%20the%20Early%20Le%20Period%3F”%20(ms).%20On%20Dai%20Viet's%20foreign%20trade%20and%20bullion%20flows%20in%20this%20period%2C%20see%20too%20Sakurai%2C%20“Age%20of%20Commerce%2C”%202%3B%20Abu%20Ridho%2C%20...&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=ggyl2FSzXvgC&pg=PA13&dq=Third,+new+market+opportunities+opened+up+in+Japan,+possibly+in+connection+with+the+Ryukyu+network,+and+also+in+...+See,+for+example,+Shiro+Momoki,+%22Was+Dai-+Viet+a+Rival+of+Ryukyu+within+the+Tributary+Trade+System+of+the+Ming+during+the+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Fqc3U9WAE8zKsQTWwYLQAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Third%2C%20new%20market%20opportunities%20opened%20up%20in%20Japan%2C%20possibly%20in%20connection%20with%20the%20Ryukyu%20network%2C%20and%20also%20in%20...%20See%2C%20for%20example%2C%20Shiro%20Momoki%2C%20%22Was%20Dai-%20Viet%20a%20Rival%20of%20Ryukyu%20within%20the%20Tributary%20Trade%20System%20of%20the%20Ming%20during%20the%20...&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=aSEJqSQS7wkC&pg=PA172&dq=The+Ryukyu+Islands,+it+is+well-known,+were+connected+to+various+ports+in+Southeast+Asia.+Therefore,+pepper,+sappanwood+and+...+%22Was+Dai+Viet+during+the+Early+Le+Period+(1428-1527)+a+Rival+of+Ryukyu?%22+-+On+the+maritime+horse+trade,+see+R.+P.+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kac3U4SjKavnsAT6koKIAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20Ryukyu%20Islands%2C%20it%20is%20well-known%2C%20were%20connected%20to%20various%20ports%20in%20Southeast%20Asia.%20Therefore%2C%20pepper%2C%20sappanwood%20and%20...%20%22Was%20Dai%20Viet%20during%20the%20Early%20Le%20Period%20(1428-1527)%20a%20Rival%20of%20Ryukyu%3F%22%20-%20On%20the%20maritime%20horse%20trade%2C%20see%20R.%20P.%20...&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=52kfAQAAIAAJ&q=The+Ryukyu+Islands,+it+is+well-known,+were+connected+to+various+ports+in+Southeast+Asia.+Therefore,+pepper,+sappanwood+and+...+%22Was+Dai+Viet+during+the+Early+Le+Period+(1428-1527)+a+Rival+of+Ryukyu?%22+-+On+the+maritime+horse+trade,+see+R.+P.+...&dq=The+Ryukyu+Islands,+it+is+well-known,+were+connected+to+various+ports+in+Southeast+Asia.+Therefore,+pepper,+sappanwood+and+...+%22Was+Dai+Viet+during+the+Early+Le+Period+(1428-1527)+a+Rival+of+Ryukyu?%22+-+On+the+maritime+horse+trade,+see+R.+P.+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kac3U4SjKavnsAT6koKIAg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ

http://books.google.com/books?id=05x5UGA8MmAC&pg=PA59&dq=ryukyu+dai+viet&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-6M3U92gA-vKsQShxILAAQ&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=ryukyu%20dai%20viet&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA105#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA103#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA119#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=TgkYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Bc30ytJmwzMC&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=R5p7cRyK748C&pg=PA108#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=tzh1fQEEFPAC&pg=PA101&dq=champa+gunpowder&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sNVKU5bAIOGgsQS9v4DIBw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=champa%20gunpowder&f=false

Confucianism, Dai Viet wars of conquest against neighbors

http://wpscc.pearsoncmg.com/wps/media/objects/3125/3200001/Brummett11e_IM.pdf

http://countrystudies.us/vietnam/11.htm

http://education.stateuniversity.com/pages/1672/Vietnam-HISTORY-BACKGROUND.html

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/DeakinLRev/2001/15.html#fn79

Rajmaan (talk) 18:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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Problem with infobox
In the infobox, please add where the capital was after 1597. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's already there in the first entry. — MarkH21talk 00:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Imperial family
Copied this here from: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:L%C3%AA_dynasty&oldid=1010809891 before it gets deleted.

Perhaps such an infobox would be handy at a section about the imperial family. --Donald Trung (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

"Successor" in the infobox
The "s1" parameter of the infobox is for the successor to the Lê dynasty, which formally ended in 1789 to the Tây Sơn dynasty. The successor field is not for the Mạc dynasty, which temporarily took power starting in 1527. — MarkH21talk 18:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * That is why we have Revival Lê dynasty to represent the second period. Mac dynasty was recognized as the political house so we could not exclude it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorfree1011 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, please sign your talk page posts using four tildes .Right, but this article (Lê dynasty) includes both periods together and so only ends in 1789. The infobox is not solely about the first period. — MarkH21talk 18:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)