Talk:LGBT culture in San Francisco

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Rough start
i know its a new article, but we really want at the first stub to at least have some valuable content, which this doesnt. I hope the article creator can expand this into a workable stub in the next month. If it cant be improved, its better to have it userfied and given back to them to work on out of article space.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Article creator has definitely committed to this. so, even though it may be very limited initially, the article is of serious importance to SF, and really needs to exist. kudos to them for tackling this daunting subjectMercurywoodrose (talk) 00:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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which, if either, should be added:

or

Mercurywoodrose (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Why not both? :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Addressing the entire SF Bay Area
In the last sentence of the lead paragraph to this article, it reads "LGBT cultures are also active within companies based in the Silicon Valley, in the San Francisco Bay Area.[2]"

I'm glad that an attempt was made to include other parts of the Bay Area, outside of the City of San Francisco (proper); however, beyond this one line, the article doesn't seem to say much at all about the rest of the Bay Area. It doesn't even say much more about "Silicon Valley," which, at that, it also overlooks San Jose. After all, San Jose is the largest city of not only Silicon Valley (the self proclaimed "Capital of Silicon Valley"); but, it's also the third largest city in the state, first in the SF Bay Area. San Jose is larger than San Francisco, both by population, as well as by geographic size. Other factor's make San Jose significant; whereas, indeed, that also includes LGBTQ culture, lifestyle and history.

Consider, for example, that San Jose's Billy deFrank Community Center is one of the earliest and oldest of such centers in the nation. In fact, the de Frank Center's Wikipedia article states: "It started on March 3, 1981." It's named for a popular drag-queen of earlier years, who raised monies from around the Bay Area and helped establish the facility. That's significant, especially if you compare it to the San Francisco LGBT Community Center, of which it's said: "Incorporated in 1996, the Center opened its solar-powered, 35,000-square-foot (3,300 m2) facility in 2002." The only older LGBT center in the Bay Area is Berkeley's Pacific Center for Human Growth, founded as of 1973.

It's the Los Angeles LGBT Center that is apparently the world's oldest, founded as of 1969; followed by San Diego's as of 1973; plus a few out of state centers like Chicago (1973), Salt Lake City (1975), and Atlanta (1976). (See LGBT community centre," Geography and history"). All said, as for the Bay Area, both Berkley's and San Jose's centers are older than that of the nation's largest city, New York City's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center, established as of 1983, as well as that of San Francisco… even though many people think of those places as major gay hubs.

By the way, there's also political organizations like "Bay Area Municipal Elections Committee" aka "BAYMEC," which is based in San Jose. This organization describes itself accordingly: "It has been advocating for the civil rights of LGBT people since 1984. It is the only political action committee (PAC) dedicated to this purpose in the central coast counties of San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, and Monterey." Nevertheless, BAYMEC is not included with its own dedicated Wikipedia article. It is only mentioned with reference to local LGBT politicians and so on, such as in their individual profile and articles. For example, it's mentioned in articles for such persons: John Laird, Elizabeth Birch, Joe Simitian, Anna Eshoo. Its not mentioned in that of Ken Yeager.

Consider Wikipedia's article that states Elizabeth Birch "(born September 2, 1956)[1] is an American attorney and former corporate executive who chaired the board of directors of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force from 1992-1994. She served as the Executive Director of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest LGBT organization, from January 1995 until January 2004." Today, of course, Human Rights Campaign (HRC) "is the largest LGBT civil rights advocacy group and political lobbying organization in the United States.[1]" according to its own article. Birch served well beyond the Clinton years, heading the organization when National Coming Out Day was started by that organization.

Finally, I say all this; because there does not appear to be any specific article for LGBT Culture for Silicon Valley, Santa Clara County, San Jose (and its metro) or that of the South Bay. Plus, why else would this article tag just one line at the end of its intro (lead) paragraph, unless it expands on that idea? Indeed, it is significant to note… so, why not here, unless or until a separate article can be made? At that, can the name of the article be changed to "LGBT culture in San Francisco & (greater) Bay Area"? Or something of that sort… maybe more appropriate/accurate. Ca.papavero (talk) 06:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Focus and title should be "Culture" or "Community"?
After reading through this article, as well as comparing it to other main articles, I"m questioning if this particular one about San Francisco (and possibly the greater Bay Area) is really about its "culture" per se, or more about its "community."  I realize that there's aspects of both intermingled, as well as including history, politics and so on; but, nevertheless, it does seem that much of the focus is going in the direction of community, as what's particular to this place.  Not all "communities" are necessarily associated with physical place; but, in terms of how Wikipedia's other articles discuss these topics, I think it's confusing.  Maybe it should be reviewed, either to reconsider the title of the article, or its further development and topic areas.  Compare, for example, LGBT community and  LGBT culture.  I my opinion, much of this article is more similar to LGBT community.

Otherwise, maybe this and other similar articles should be made or considered to be a hybrid of sorts. It's not too clear or understood, as to what's this and/or that.

Not necessarily to blame this article, because I'm questioning other articles, too. Take a look at articles that begin as "LGBT community of.." (New York City, Houston, Detroit, etc.) that are then redirected to pages titled "LGBT culture in…" (of those same cities). And yet it doesn't really seem consistent with the main or generalized articles on those topics. Plus there's articles that started "LGBT Community and" (Islam, Buddhism, etc.) that have been redirected inconsistently, too. Ca.papavero (talk) 20:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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