Talk:LGBT issues at the 2022 FIFA World Cup

Captain's armbands
Before this section was split from the main controversies article, I added a passage and an official citation regarding that any non-FIFA armbands are prohibited at the Finals Tournament but someone removed it for being reactionary, ironically. Since the regulations were published in June (with that particular rule being in place for years) and the outrage regarding the OneLove armbands came about in November, the passage should be reinstated.  VEO one five 12:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it shouldn't. First, that's no way to start a discussion topic: with an order. More importantly, here's why: you added your opinion about why nobody should be upset about the armbands, and linked the regulations to "prove your point", seemingly unaware that the controversy is about the punishment and the optics. Also seemingly unaware of Wikipedia etiquette: you even admitted your passage was a sensationalist reaction to "faux outrage" when you complained on my talk page. I suggest you pick another topic to edit if you can't adhere to not inserting your opinion on this one. The simple fact is, whether you like it or not, controversy exists; tagging on the end "nevertheless [rules are rules]" belongs in no Wikipedia article, whatever the subject. Kingsif (talk) 23:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not an opinion when the rules of the subject have been in place since at least last June going by the cited document, although FIFA-mandated armbands have been in use since the 2001 FIFA Confederations Cup. Argumentum ad populum doesn't make an argument valid, it just shows how worried you should be for the state of mankind.  VEO one five 06:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Joe Lycett Stunt
Concerning Joe Lycett’s recent World Cup stunt, I believe this article should cover what the BBC lately reported on, namely, the allegations that Lycett is a hypocrite owing to previous gigs in Qatar for which he was paid for, like David Beckham. I also believe that it is helpful for people trying to gage the scene to know that all but 7 of the 32 countries had no plans to or no problems not to wear the OneLove bands as this puts things into perspective, something which I believe is always helpful. Scientelensia (talk) 09:40, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should ever really be quantifying that "only 7 of 32" teams did something. It comes across to me as if we said "Japan didn't like something, but the other 31 teams were all in agreement it was grand". We should simply state which teams had issues with how the situation unfolded.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:44, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I see your point, however there should at least be some indication that the action taken was not widely upheld by all the nations enmeshed in the World Cup 2022, not regarding specified statistics. Scientelensia (talk) 12:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * So, adding something like "the 25 countries who were uninvolved, remained uninvolved"? This is a facetious suggestion intended to show how banal such an addition would be - as well as SYNTH. If you can produce some reliable sources that discuss the controversy and also say "the others didn't care" with commentary on how that is relevant, then Wikipedia can add what the sources say. Kingsif (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Kingsif, what about the allegations that Lycett is a hypocrite owing to previous gigs in Qatar for which he was paid for (like Beckham)? Scientelensia (talk) 12:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * What about the allegations that Lycett is a hypocrite owing to previous gigs in Qatar for which he was paid for? Scientelensia (talk) 12:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)