Talk:LGBT pride

Giant criticism section
I get that this is a controversial subject and criticism should be mentioned, but fringe should not be over represented and the main article for gay pride should not be overwhelmed with these fringe views in opposition to it without some balance. overall, the section seems pointless at times and over bearing in detail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.204.252 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Which parts/sources do you think are fringe/undue weight? Dronebogus (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 31 May 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to LGBT pride. This is the most widely agreed upon title. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Gay pride → Pride (LGBT) – As several editors noted in the previous discussion, the WP:COMMONNAME today is simply "Pride". ;;  Maddy  ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ ::  talk   18:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, not convinced. And Gay pride is a better title as per WP:NATURAL IMO.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, this is the common name. Pride month, Pride Parades, pride festivals are what they are referred to. Sheehanpg93 (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding my support to LGBT pride Sheehanpg93 (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support to either the proposed title or LGBT pride. The concept of pride this article is about is not limited to gays but concerns other sexual minorities as well. J I P  &#124; Talk 21:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support to either the proposed title or LGBT pride. "Gay pride" is not a precise title at all. 7szz (talk) 00:09, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support (strongly) moving to "LGBT pride" (or the proposed title), for reasons listed by others above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:CONCISE. Showiecz (talk) 04:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support LGBT pride to widen the scope appropriately while also avoiding awkward unnatural titling. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 05:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * '''Support LGBT pride is the logically title here.  ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 09:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Strongly Oppose This discussion literally just happened a year ago and closed with Not moved.Not moved should be used when a consensus has formed to keep the current title and not rename the article(s) in question. For instance, a proposal to rename Bob Dylan to Squeezy Joe would likely result in everyone (or nearly everyone) agreeing that the proposed move should not take place; this notifies other editors that they should probably not propose this move in the future until and unless circumstances change. If an article title has been stable for a long time,[9] and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed. Consensus among editors determines if there does exist a good reason to change the title. If it has never been stable, or it has been unstable for a long time, and no consensus can be reached on what the title should be, default to the title the article had when the first major contribution after the article ceased to be a stub was made.WP:TITLECHANGES Ethanpet113 (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This discussion is about moving to a different title, as I mentioned in the proposal. Now there also seems to be a consensus forming in favour of the original proposal – "LGBT pride" – demonstrating that Consensus can change. ;;  Maddy  ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ ::  talk   12:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See also archived talk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gay_pride/Archive_1#Proposal:_Move_to_%22LGBT_pride%22 Ethanpet113 (talk) 12:45, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think if we were to move to LGBT pride or not move per WP:NATURAL, the lead should still list Pride first as the most common name. ;;  Maddy  ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ ::  talk   12:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. The overwhelming common name in modern usage is simply pride, as can be seen at Pride parade and the vast majority of individual events in Category:Pride parades. Outside of a historical context or the few events that specifically use the phrase, gay pride feels very dated.--Trystan (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose moving to "LGBT pride": according to Google Ngrams, "gay pride" is still far more common. Cheers, gnu 57 13:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The argument here is that "Pride" is the common name. "LGBT pride" and "Pride (LGBT)" are both options for disambiguation of "Pride". In the case of disambiguation, we not only need to look at what is the most common, but what accurately disambiguates the title. "Pride (LGBT)"/"LGBT pride" are clearly more appropriate than "Gay pride", given the wide variety of identities represented by Pride. ;;  Maddy  ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ ::  talk   14:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Strongly Support a change to Pride (LGBT). Pride is certainly the common name and I think this option best threads the needle btwn the common name and necessary disambiguation. LGBT Pride would at least disambiguate more accurately than the current name. The current name is neither the most common nor the most accurate of the available options and it should be changed. Elektra.of.argos (talk) 15:56, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support change to Pride (LGBT). “gay pride” is a pretty blatantly outdated/incorrect term since the concept is typically understood to include all minority sexual/gender/etc identities. Seems like common sense to me. Dronebogus (talk) 16:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguator comment: There is an RM discussion currently open about potentially moving LGBT to LGBTQ. If that is done and this proposal is also adopted, the disambiguator should be "LGBTQ". —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 17:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. ~ AntisocialRyan (talk) 22:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support LGBT pride per above. X-Editor (talk) 02:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per last discussion—blindlynx 15:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Support LGBT pride instead. SWinxy (talk) 23:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Pride (LGBT+) (with reservations) I believe that Queer Pride, or Pride (Queer) would make more sense in the long run. The reason being that no matter how many letters we add to LGBTQIA+, this discussion will always be evolving. Queer is an independent, inclusive, term that that is not connected to any one sexuality, gender or attraction. As someone who does not identify as LGBT, but does identify as Queer, I feel that the cause of Pride and been bogged down by the lack of a single unifying term. It's nauseating to have to spell and say LGBTQ+ every time in conversation, and since the derogatory connotation behind Queer has been effectively eliminated, this is what feels most progressive to me. But alas, that is just my two cents.
 * DashJustice (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Queer is still less common per WP:COMMONNAME, even though it’s also my personal preference. Also, using “queer” as a homophobic/barely re-appropriated term wasn’t that long ago, relatively speaking, and still might be distasteful or “vulgar” (per above) to older readers/users. Dronebogus (talk) 01:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Like others have said the term most commonly used now is "pride" rather than "gay pride." Also pride is meant to be an event for increasing awareness of LGBTQ+ people in general. Labeling it "gay pride" is plainly wrong. There are ace/aro people who are celebrated at pride and straight trans people, for example.Herravondure (talk) 00:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support LGBT pride, instead of the original proposal. —Sundostund (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * LGBT Pride not the disambiguated format, but not opposed to keeping the current title either. Reywas92Talk 03:51, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Support LGBT Pride per above. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 05:20, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2023
change “cable TV station” (first paragraph) to “cable TV channel” or “cable TV network”. A station is a physical location that broadcasts, the link goes to an article about a channel (actually a network that exists over different channels in different countries). 2600:1010:B1AC:30E6:C96C:7A1B:A888:9A56 (talk) 01:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 02:24, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

LGBTI+
Essa é uma das siglas mais aceitas. LGBT não representa toda a diversidade. 2804:214:8629:82D9:1:0:B18E:4895 (talk) 11:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Pride and Protest
Having a long and proud history of protesting against the powerful, Pride should have some common ground with the like-minded groups. So, instead of taking corporate money, they might have supported the right of groups protesting against powerful people.

Given Just Stop Oil events, would not a section on Pride and Protester be useful and of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.196.97 (talk) 07:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Pride Terminology origins
The sources that Brenda Howard, Robert A. Martin, and L. Craig Schoonmaker had anything to do with the word "pride" are quite dodgy or non-existent. It looks like Howard had less to do with the use of the word pride and seem she may have been more about being one of the founders of Christopher Street Liberation Day. Are there more reliable sources and details for the claim they had anything to do with inventing or popularizing the word "Pride"? Myotus (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)