Talk:LGBT rights in Asia

Table headers
You may be interested in the discussion at Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory regarding the column headers of the tables included in this article. - htonl (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Vietnam
Why is Vietnam light blue on the map? It shouldn't be, so far as I know. Czolgolz (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Taiwan
Surely the statement that same-sex-sexual activity has been legal in the Republic of China since 1895 is untrue? It didn't even exist then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:1696:D500:148C:99BC:5A46:6B6D (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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Factors
the phrasing: "low testosterone levels to the both sexes of a race...." (that's wrong and biased, because we humans merge the races, for example high testosterone leads to linking of women, love for women, more Yoruba women like women when compared to the lower ratio of the Japanese lesbians because the East Asian race has less testosterone) ed to
 * 1) testosterone levels
 * 2) anterior cingulate cortex (East Asians have superior functionality, Caucasians mediocre and Yoruba minium inhibition of intense reactions)
 * 3) culture (culture is a result of the above; also culture is interpreted; it's not a static fact but the way we internalize/the internal experiencing is more important and that affects its evolution. If you give an East Asian population a Yoruba culture, in 20 generations they will interpret it the East Asian way)
 * 4) psychiatric disorders (for example schizotypoid conduct is way more oppen to random events inside the brain; a schizo with probably some minor hormonal imbalance, even temporary, is more prone to stick that carrot up his butt, than a non schizotypoid person with the same social input and hormonal background)

'''My proposed title is biased. We certainly need a page of that kind, but we might have to find a better title. According to encyclopediography, two titles should be generated, and not merged... probably are not opted for a merger.'''


 * low testosterone leeds to: homosexual males, cisgender males of low sexuality and asexuality
 * we need to collect all the data! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4118:0:F829:5469:9D6C:AAE6 (talk) 15:14, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Bhutan
A new version of the map is needed which depicts Bhutan as grey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:680D:F826:141B:9446:1A3F:97BF (talk) 12:45, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

map
Please change the map, it's showing parts of Ukraine as Russia, against internationally recognized borders. Unfortunately, this article is used for extremist propaganda purposes by acknowledging russian annexation efforts. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Гатерас (talk • contribs) 18:27, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Vietnam
Vietnam is colored light blue on the map, implying that it recognizes unregistered cohabitation. However, Vietnam does not have specific unregistered cohabitation laws. I can provide you with a list of reliable sources.

Kwamikagami claims that: "In Vietnam, you have to register where you live, so that is quite literally registered cohabitation." (citation needed)

First of all, what does "registered cohabiation" mean? Perhaps what they meant is "registered partnership", or maybe "unregistered cohabitation". The term "registered cohabitation" does not exist.

Besides, all content must be verifiable. In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Anyone can leave a note on the talk page asking for a source. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed.

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There are reliable sources supporting two or more different claims.

Kwamikagami's claim about "registered cohabitations" in Vietnam is somewhat misleading. A list of reliable sources are presented below:

The first source states that:

"While the ruling, which came into effect on New Year’s Day, allows same-sex couples to wed without fear of criminal prosecution, Vietnam’s Communist Party stopped short of extending ANY rights or privileges to same-sex couples — the government won’t recognize same-sex unions nor provide legal protection to them."

Source: https://www.metroweekly.com/2015/01/vietnam-removes-same-sex-marriage-ban/

The second source states that:

"The law no longer specifically prohibits same-sex marriages, but says they aren't recognized by the government. It does not allow same-sex partnership either, although the issue has been open for discussion during many house meetings."

Source: http://thanhniennews.com/politics/vietnam-allows-surrogacy-within-families-denies-samesex-marriage-27502.html

The final source states that:

"There is a major flaw in the law. According to Clause 2, Article 8 of the new law, although it allows same-sex weddings, such couples are neither recognized nor protected under the law. Although Vietnam abolished its ban on same-sex marriage, the law has a very limited effect in practice. If not recognized by the state, such marriages will not be protected by law for matters such as personal and property rights."

Source: https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/the-fight-for-lgbt-rights-in-vietnam-still-has-a-long-way-to-go/

The claim that Vietnam recognizes same-sex unions is MISSING CONTEXT, because without additional information it could be misleading. It is true that Vietnam abolished its ban on same-sex marriage and allowed symbolic same-sex weddings. However, same-sex couples are neither recognized nor protected under the law.

Vietnam doesn’t recognize same-sex unions so it should be changed to gray. Please, update the map. Provide sources of the opposite if you disagree.

Request for Semi Protection
Request for Semi Protection in LGBT rights in Asia- wikipidea, also another semi Protection for the table so it can't be easily vandalized.

"South Asia" needs an overhaul
There are a few issues I have with the way the "South Asia" grouping is represented in the map.


 * In India the most common form of marriage is "common law marriage" based on pre-colonial customs, meaning that in the majority of cases the colonial marriage law is not used. The Supreme Court recently gave recogition to LGBTQ marriage in the sense that live-in couples, including LGBTQ couples, are provided the same marriage rights as married couples. This essentially means that gay common law marriage (unregisitered cohabitation) is legal and should be marked as such on the map. (https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/11/25/same-sex-marriage-petition-india-supreme-court/)
 * In Sri Lanka the Supreme Court stated that punishment for gay sex should not be warranted as it was based on a 19th century customs of England, and therefore the law is legally unenforced and should be marked as such on the map. (https://gec.ey.gov.tw/File/A0DC201A8E3C1A62?A=C)
 * In both Pakistan and Bangladesh, there are cases where the law is genuinely enforced and therefore the law is not "unenforced" and should be marked as enforced on the map. https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/pakistan/ https://www.humandignitytrust.org/country-profile/bangladesh/
 * With Nepal I am mostly happy with how things are written. But it should be noted that Indian law has overtaken Nepali law as the most tolerant of LGBTQ.
 * In Maldives there is generally a welcoming attitude towards LGBTQ on the tourist islands, but Sharia Law is found in some of the non-tourist islands. https://www.outofoffice.com/blog/the-law-vs-reality-gay-travel-to-the-maldives/

~ Novomanias (talk) 11:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Acceptance of LGBT - 'varied' changed to 'low'
I edited the lead to reflect that all of the lead stresses low/zero acceptance of LGBT with just one example (Taiwan) which is different. That reflects a low acceptance, not a varied one. If 'varied' is to be used, there would need to be varied examples given. Charlie Campbell 28 (talk) 07:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)