Talk:LGBT rights in China

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This redirect should be converted into a real article. After all we have an article for LGBT rights in Burundi! Why not China? Charles Essie (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

China bans men it sees as not masculine enough from TV
https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-entertainment-business-religion-china-62dda0fc98601dd5afa3aa555a901b3f

If this is correct this is going to affect LGBT rights in China if the Xi Administration approves this.2601:640:C681:C260:2C72:6D13:9A10:E3F0 (talk) 00:39, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Notably this isn't anything new. There was a ban applied to LGBT social media groups in China a couple of months ago. The censors have targeted gay content in television and film for years. This is reflected in the article here. --Chillabit (talk) 01:05, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions on Expansion
I agree with the comment above that this article should be expanded. Is it better to create separate pages for each gender/sex/preference, or list everything in LGBTQ (Q should be added). I think homosexuality in ancient China should be created in a separate page since there are much more historical references plus the context is much different from the contemporary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcy14 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

So agree Nlivataye (talk) 16:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Following precedence with most other articles about LGBTQ in other countries, I think it should be all be in a same page called "LGBT in China". There is also the existing page of LGBT history in China, which should be the new location for most of the information in the history section of this article. Kamako (talk) 20:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Issue of a sentence
"That same year, a woman who wrote a gay-themed novel was sentenced to 10 years and 6 months in prison for "breaking obscenity laws"." I found that issue surrounding her is not mainly LGBT. It is claimed that some weibo users "try to wrap the legal action of combating pornography into destroying LGBT community." and "some western media such as the New York Time is positively wrap it too in order to satisfy their reader" in this article from news.sina.com.cn. Could it be the realiable source to explain the incident? (　　他们把天一的“淫秽出版物”错误地与“耽美文学”划上等号，并不断把我国对于“淫秽出版物”的打击蓄意歪曲成是在“打击耽美文学”甚至是“打击同性恋”，好“绑架”受众更广泛的耽美文学和同性恋群体，去挑动他们对抗司法部门和国家体制，从而逼迫国家废除“对淫秽物品坚决说‘不’”的法律和政策. 一些门户网站和自媒体也在迎合这种炒作，毕竟这能给他们带来热度和流量. 而《纽约时报》等西方媒体也在积极地把此案歪曲成是中国在打击同性恋和创作自由，以迎合他们的读者. ) Mariogoods (talk) 10:50, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * “天一案”是针对耽美打击同性恋？庭审直播打脸
 * Describing LGBT stuff as "obscene" is a common tactic around the world when governments want to ban those things. And let's be real here, every piece of (~2011) 耽美 (~yaoi) novel I have browsed describes some sexual scenes that count as obscenity under these things. The defense by 耿直哥 (whoever that is) from Global Times is nothing more than an attempt at saving face and avoiding conflict with the patriotic "小粉红" Chinese fujoshi population. --Artoria2e5 🌉 19:35, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

You are not getting the point. Pornography as a whole is banned in mainstream Chinese media regardless of which sexual orientation is depicted. Precisely the fact that the yaoi novels you browsed have ""sexual scenes"" had them banned. To counter this point you need to at least cite some examples of yaoi novels depicting platonic homosexualism being banned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.119.202.220 (talk) 18:42, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

HK wedding case
User:Panda2018 0's latest edit seems to point out that SCMP and HKFP has very different interpretations on the outcome of the June Hong Kong case. Can someone sort out what is actually going on in there? Was the SCMP article wrong and only describing a dissenting opinion?--Artoria2e5 🌉 19:38, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

First measure of repression against homosexuality & the term "decree"
It seems someone has added a note under Qing dynasty: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGBT_rights_in_China&type=revision&diff=966053568&oldid=964579123. Until it can be resolved and maybe merged, I've deleted it. Regards, Veritas94 (talk) 23:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Self-contradicting
I the introduction it writes "Same-sex couples are unable to marry or adopt, and households headed by such couples are ineligible for the same legal protections available to heterosexual couples". But at the info box it says adoption is legal, so which one is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lerong Lin (talk • contribs) 10:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Contradiction with another article
A self-contradicting point I have found, is that in this article it states that: "The Marriage Law of the People's Republic of China, adopted at the third session of the Fifth National People's Congress on September 10, 1980, defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman."

However, in this article Recognition of same-sex unions in China, it is stated that "The Marriage Law of the People's Republic of China defined marriage as between a man and a woman, but this law was repealed in 2021."

After checking the original source (The most recent online publication of the Marriage Law of the People's Republic of China in both English and Chinese), there is no reference to same-sex marriage, nor is there any strict reference regarding marriage requiring the union of a man and women. Should this page be edited to remove this contradicting statement, or should additional information be added to state that the law has changed? —Lungfeesh (talk) 10:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

References contradict article or are incomplete
Has anyone taken a look at some of these references? For example, the "History of Homosexuality" citation from the Shanghai Star does not contain the information it supposedly does (in fact, it directly contradicts it by saying there is no record of lesbianism in Chinese history). Additionally, the citation from Timothy Brook lists no other information than a page number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.150.208 (talk) 06:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Summary table
I've been adding to the summary table. Expanded it, added criteria that are also used on the LGBT rights in Taiwan article. If someone would like to help add information, I'd appreciate it. The situation seems complex in many respects. I'll keep trying to dig up reliable sources. If I can get a lot compiled down on the summary table I may take a bunch of them and put them higher up in the article (e.g. some elaboration on the conversion therapy situation). --Chillabit (talk) 21:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Specifically, if anyone has information about gay adoption in the People's Republic of China (not adoption by gay couples outside of China, of Chinese children) (not either by couples in Hong Kong, Macau, or Taiwan), that would be much appreciated. Presumably it is not allowed, based on the policy for foreigners seeking to adopt, but I couldn't find confirmation. Additionally, I'm seeking information about whether Chinese people who are transgender are allowed to serve in the country's military, and whether gay Chinese people are allowed to do so openly. I found a case of a transgender celebrity in the PRC who appears to have been promoted to colonel despite not technically serving (anymore). This tells me that transgender people serving in the country's military is likely to be allowed, even openly, but I didn't find any other confirmation, so this isn't terribly clear cut. --Chillabit (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Discussion of homophobia derived from the Mongol Empire
I was wondering whether someone could write more information about the homophobia implemented under the Mongol Empire and Yuan Dynasty?

I notice that a lot of the articles on Wikipedia discussing homosexuality in China overlook mentioning that homophobia derived from multiple sources including:


 * Confucianism through mandating the supremacy of heterosexual marriage/families (whereas Buddhism considered the idea of celibacy as the most important thing).
 * Mongols and homophobia from Islam
 * Westernisation efforts of the Chinese in the past few centuries

We have discussion on the first and last in this article, but I have not seen much information on how the Mongol Empire and the Yuan Dynasty introduced widespread prohibitions on homosexuality.

Prior to the Yuan Dynasty, homosexuality was tolerated but heterosexual marriage and procreation was championed (as opposed to the situation in Indic cultures where celibacy was considered more important than procreation).

The Yuan Dynasty was the first era where outright prohibitions on homosexuality were implemented. DragonSign (talk) 08:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)