Talk:LGBT rights in Germany

Treaty of Amsterdam
Although the Treaty of Amsterdam mandates protection on the basis of sexual orientation in employment, education and the provision of goods and services, only the employment protection has been enforced by an EU directive. I think that this article should be edited to reflect this fact. --Paschal Lehany (talk) 18:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Untitled
shouldn't the title of all these articles have a lower case R for "rights"? as in Gay rights in Germany... gren 09:00, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Rubbercell?
I removed this from the article.... looks and smells like vandalism to me?

Politicians in rubber cells (padded cells)

There has become a new fetish by using condoms, when the gays put the condoms over their heads.But a new law order that every gay who use the condom on that way is punished with five years rubber cell (padded cell) and punished by a torturer of SM studio with a rubber truncheon. This law is supported by the pope (see also the pope and medieval torture)(Gesetz zur Verhütung nächtlicher Begeisterung) (law against hatting with Ghost-hat) But unfortunately it cannot stopped because it`s a new fetish by the gaymen. Gay Politicians like Klaus Wowereit, Volker Beck etc. accept this punishment when they can protect their bodies with diving suits. A dig debate has begun in society and politics. Questions with people from the science of voting: results: 35% against diving suits by torture and prefer the traditional torture shirt 55% accept this but only by diving suits painted with flowers. 5% have no opinion --MadiZone 13:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It is already repaired, so: where is the problem? --84.160.13.4 00:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Introduction
the introduction sentence is ridicilously flat and solely feeds on stereotypes of Nazi Germany. 1) the country had significant movements already in the 19th century 2) gay life in Germany has been very vibrant at least since the late 80s (Cologne scene etc) and 3) the "long history" of opression is merly 12 years. Please update the intro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.224.44 (talk) 03:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Germany in the 1920s was one of the more liberal and accepting societies until World War II, with the Nazi coup. There is no need to pretend that Germany was a hateful society for all of history until after they were "liberated". We need to complete the history, not feed on the fact that the Allied occupiers decided to keep §175. We need to add about the LGBT rights movements starting even before Prussia united the German Empire. 68.35.55.55 (talk) 19:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible merge of Homosexuality in Germany (May 2010)
Thread is at Talk:Homosexuality in Germany. Wikignome0530 (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Anti-Discrimination Laws
The antidiscrimination section only refers to discrimination on the basis of employment. What about accomodation, goods and service provision? If it indeed differs from state to state, then this may require some additional tabulated information. Calibanu (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)User Calibanu

Donating blood
I have never heared about gay men being banned from donating blood! They'd have to ask whether or not a person is gay and had ever a sexual relation with one or more persons of the same sex! But to ask such questions is illegal. So there might be a law which prohibits the distribution of blood from so called risk groups but who could control this? The link on this site which seems to prove that donating blood in Germany is illegal goes just for an institution in Hamburg! By far the biggest collector of blood donations is the German Red Cross and on their site you can't find anything about persons of certain sexual orientations are being banned from donating blood. There sure are restrictions but not because of being gay. Here is a link to the DRK (German Red Cross) site where you can see gay persons aren't banned from donating blood! http://www.drk-blutspende.de/informationen_zur_blutspende/wer_darf_blut_spenden.php Please change this in the article!! --92.223.57.186 (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Gays are not banned from blood donation officially. But, in fact, they are. Because every "Man, who had sex with another man" can't donate blood for life. And I guess this is true for about 99 % of all gay above 18, right? 77.5.43.200 (talk) 00:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

You are forgetting the 20th character in the alphabet
The T dangling like a limpid fish at the end of the LGB doesn't appear to be mentioned anywhere in the article. 12.181.125.85 (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Klaus Wowereit
"The mayor of Berlin, Klaus Wowereit, is one of the most famous openly gay men in Germany." Klaus Wowereit is no longer the mayor of Berlin. So it should be "former mayor". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.71.200.78 (talk) 13:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

"Anti-discrimination laws in all other areas" in summary table
I don't think that the check mark in this line is warranted.

The German Anti-Discrimination Act covers - apart from employment treated elsewhere - the following:

"Any discrimination on the grounds of [...] sexual orientation shall be illegal when founding, executing or terminating civil-law obligations which 1. typically arise without regard of person in a large number of cases under comparable conditions (bulk business) or where the regard of person is of subordinate significance on account of the obligation and the comparable conditions arise in a large number of cases ; or which 2. have as their object a private-law insurance"

So, if it's neither "bulk business" nor an insurance, you're not protected. I think that pretty well covers "provision of goods and services" but not "all other areas".

As to German hate speech legislation, described under "Volksverhetzung", this has proven to be very difficult to apply to anti-gay speech. You'll probably make a chance to be convicted, if you run around in a group chanting "the faggots to the gas chambers", but with less than that, you don't risk a lot. E.g. a Christian fundamentalist party had stated that "Gays are responsible for more than six million people killed by AIDS which they have sacrificed to the satisfaction of their counternatural lust. [...] So-called homosexual love only is a self-centered abuse of the partner" Etc. The Prosecution Service refused to act, as this didn't amount to "assault on human dignity" in the legal sense.. Whatever one thinks about the balance between free speech and protection of minorities (I'm not judging here), I doubt that this is the kind of law readers would expect from a check mark in a line saying "including hate speech". Sigur (talk) 20:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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