Talk:LGBT rights in the United Kingdom/Archive 1

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This article created by moving section of article Gay rights Wuzzy 13:24, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Article incomplete
Should there not be mention of: ChrisD87 21:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Section 28
 * Decriminalisation in Scotland (1980) and N. Ireland (1982)
 * Armed Services ban & repeal

The article is certainly incomplete. If you can add to it, go ahead. Where there is an existing article, such as Section 28, I would suggest that only an overview of the issue be given, and a link to the existing article. Wuzzy 09:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

The 2000 section has been amended to include more material but the page still probably needs more work on it.

In addition, the section on Civil Partnerships has been amended to make it a little more netral in regards to the attitudes of Outrage etc. --Cpnlsn88 12:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

In addition there is no reference to Transsexuals who have made considerable advances over the last ten years. They are supposed to be part of the community - the 'T' is not there for nothing!! Wilmot1 12:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I came across a reference on the Our Story website that stated that the 1958 General Assembly of the Church of Scotland rejected the Wolfenden Reforms. This may be one of the reasons why the Sexual Offences Act 1967 did not apply to Scotland. I have inserted a one line paragraph on this in the 1950's section.GraemeMoughan 21:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

First Civil Union
In the article it says "The first civil union took place on December 19, 2005, in Belfast." One of the first civil unions actually took place in Brighton on 5th December 2005 between Matthew Roche and Christopher Cramp. The couple got special permission to have the ceremony early as Matthew was terminally ill with lung cancer. He died the next day.

Equalisation of the Age of Consent
It is stated in the article:

"In June 1998, the Crime and Disorder Bill was put before Parliament. Ann Keen proposed amendments that would lower the age of consent to 16. The House of Commons accepted these provisions with a majority of 207, but they were rejected by the House of Lords with a majority of 168. Subsequently, a Sexual Offences (Amendment) Bill was introduced on 16 December 1998 and, again, the equalisation of the age of consent was endorsed on 25 January 1999 by the House of Commons, but was rejected on 14 April 1999 by the House of Lords.

Those campaigning against the amendment said they were simply acting to protect children. Baroness Young, the leader of the campaign against the amendment, said "Homosexual practices carry great health risks to young people."

The government reintroduced the Bill in 1999 and threatened to use the Parliament Act to enact it regardless of the opinion of the Lords. The Lords rejected the bill again in November 2000. The Speaker of the House of Commons invoked the Parliament Act on Thursday 30 November 2000; the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000 received Royal Assent a few hours later."

Implying that the Age of Consent was equalised on the 30th Nov, 2000. However, later it is stated:

"Other interesting developments during this period included the equalisation of the age of consent at 16 in 2001..."

Implying that the Age of Consent was equalised in 2001.


 * Royal Assent can take place several months in advance of a law's entry into force. For example, the Animal Welfare Act gained RA in November 2006, but comes into force in a few weeks' time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.140.134 (talk) 03:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Where's the rest of this article?
It's a bit weird to start an article on this subject with what was happening 50 years ago. There needs to be a proper lead section giving a good summary of the situation as it is. 86.132.140.134 03:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is a mess
The thing about the UK is that there are different laws throughout the four constituent countries. Scotland has common law, England and Wales are treated together under the same system of common law and bills passed, and Northern Ireland has its bills passed and common law left over from the Dublin parliament dating from 1801 etc etc.

To take the section entitled 1980s as an example, the section states that the law in Northern Ireland was changed for homosexuals (should be "homosexual men" specifically, though I could be mistaken.. how was it changed?) in 1982, then goes on to talk about Section 28 without a break. That might lead one to conclude that its still specifically Northern Ireland we're talking about, instead of a law that applied to .. where.. England and Wales.. the UK as a whole..? It then mentions in that following sentence "local authority".. but local authority points specifically to Local government in England (which then redirects!!!).

The United Kingdom has a complex law system by all accounts. That there are four states in the UK makes it more complex. Perhaps a look at a country such as the USA, with its fifty states, and how related articles are handled with regard to that country might be a good idea. -- Mal 17:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Citation for CIA link
There is a citation required mark early in the article for the linking of the 1950s clamp down on homosexual activity to inter-governmental pressure by the CIA. The story was mentioned in passing in the three-part BBC 4 documentary "It's Not Unusual" - second episode I think. Somebody may wish to double check the material and include it as a supporting reference. --Jason Kirk 22:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

LGBT?
So this is an article about LGBT rights... so where's the mention of such things as the "Gender Recognition Act"? Crimsone (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)