Talk:LGBT slang/Archive 1

AntWiki's calls for justification - moved
The following terms should have authoritive citations if they are to remain in the article according to User:AntsWiki:


 * Seeker
 * Otter
 * Zegers

[Note: could the author of this entry adduce authoritative citational evidence for the existence of this definition?] AntsWiki 30/31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This was moved from the main article, to the discussion page where it belongs, so that the actual article is not affected. -Erolos 19:24, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Restructuring, rephrasing
I'm starting to restructure this article so that it's like many of our other list-of-phrases articles (especially List of Latin phrases). It should help legibility, and is pretty straightforward to implement:

;Term 1 :Definition of Term 1 ; Term 2 :Definition of Term 2

renders as


 * Term 1
 * Definition of Term 1


 * Term 2
 * Definition of Term 2

I'm also rephrasing the subtler POV in some of these definitions, and doing some copyediting while I'm at it. So far I've only finished "A", but am working on other sections.

Please chip in as you get the chance. - jredmond 20:59, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm also putting our two ñ-terms under "N"; the CompactTOC can't handle the diacritic, and most English speakers will alphabetize "ñ" and "n" the same anyway. - jredmond 22:06, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

hey
these are legitame words for inclusion, what do you guys think


 * fudgepacking
 * Can we substantiate that this is really a slang term among GLBT people?


 * shebrew
 * See above.


 * 420-girl
 * See above; same with 420-boy.

i also think that whenever gay man or gay woman is used it should read gay/bi man or gay/bi woman if it applies. such as in the definition for 420-boy

i would also like to bring to attention that Ñatito and Ñatita are not in alphabetical order


 * Depends on how you alphabetize. Ideally, the CompactTOC would recognize the Ñ as being a distinct letter between N and O (as it is in Spanish) and adjust accordingly.  However, it doesn't, and there's really no way to do that without breaking the template or doing it manually.  Because of this, and since English speakers tend to alphabetize ñ-words as if they were n-words, I put ñatito/a in the "N" section.  You're welcome to change it, though. - jredmond 19:44, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * fudgepacking -- Did not originate as gay slang.
 * Shebrew -- have never heard this, but have doubts
 * 420 and related entries -- did not originate in gay slang
 * Spanish terms don't belong here; this list is for English slang.
 * I also have doubts about VGL and VWH, neither of which probably even qualifies as slang, and both of which probably didn't originate as gay slang.
 * Exploding Boy 23:30, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

neitehr did the word gay, but there it is, besides i am gay and its used for when the guy has a shitty ass and gets fucked anyways ive heard it used a lot by my jewish lesbian friend and it was used as a vocab word on VH1's totally gayer tv special user: 172.198.136.41


 * First, please place new comments below old ones, not within them. Second, please sign your posts using four tildes, like this: ~ .  Third, nonsense.  I'm gay too.  I'm pretty sure I'm older than you.  I'm active in gay communities in two countries and familiar with gay culture in several more.  I read gay publications and have many gay/lesbian/bi and straight friends.  Fudgepacker did not originate in gay slang, and your definition is highly, highly suspect.  As I suggested on your talk page, please be careful with your edits to this article.  While I think you probably mean well, I'm spending a lot of time correcting the errors you're inserting.  Exploding Boy 23:51, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Shebrew

 * A jewish gay woman.


 * Why isn't this word in here, and why was it removed?**

It is in use in my circle of jewdykes, that one i made up, but shebrews is not, and i saw the totally gayer special its even on VH1 cmon!? 147.144.66.198 20:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Doesn't anyone think it should be added?**


 * This article is for English words that are or were in actual common use by gay people. That does not include nonsense, words you made up, words used by your circle of friends, or little-known regional variations.  It does include slang terms that are well-known and widely recognized.  Exploding Boy 20:18, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * Your totally wrong here exploding boy, i've heard it a lot. even on tv. i would reconsider, and i think your an ass, so im gonna add at everyday relentlessly untill you give up.. hahaha posted by User: 69.236.71.146

Regardless of your opinion of me, which I'm not particularly interested in, the behaviour you describe is called vandalism and will get you blocked. Exploding Boy 01:27, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Request for comments on "Shebrew"
Anyone else -- regular contributors, preferrably -- have an opinion on this? I'm going to leave it in temporarily to avoid creating a revert war with the user above, but if I don't see any evidence that this is real and not some in-group nonsense I'm removing it. Exploding Boy 01:31, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * 69.236.64.40 23:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) leave it, ive heard of it!
 * It should be noted that this user has vandalized at least one other page. See here. Exploding Boy 00:49, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Google only reports 904 hits. Of those, the most common reference in the first couple of pages was to a font and then to Jewish women generally (not lesbian).  Autiger 05:21, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Additions
I have added a number of terms and slightly modified a few. Added words include: binder, bio-boy, birthsex, cisgender, dicklet, f2m, ftm, genetic girl, intergender, intersex, m2f, mtf, mtm (male-to-male), no-ho/no-op, non-op, packer, pack-n-play, passing, pisser, pre-op, queer spawn, radaring, stealth, T, transdyke, transfag, transexual, transman, and transwoman. Most of these terms relate to trans-specific slang, I hope that is appropriate in this section, but with no "queer slang" section and the terms already in the list that are trans- rather than gay-specific I figured this was the place for them.

Modified the term "Birthgender" from "the gender one is born into" to "the social gender role one is assigned at birth." Many/most transexuals would argue that the gender they currently identify as is the gender they were born into, and that rather their contradictory physical birthsex, and the social gender role/identity they were expected to automatically assume by virtue of this birthsex, was what caused the confusion.

I am probably missing some of the modifications I've made, I apoligize, I was doing this during down-time at work over the last week or so and forget some.

(original edit by User:Tgjerusalem)

Removals, part II
The following items have been removed since they are not exclusively "gay slang" terms. This was also done as a continuation of the tradition that common terms that allegedly have the same meaning outside the gay community can not be considered gay slang. (See removal of my addition of the word "Jaded" by JDRedmond)

-	:A person who has previously identified as exclusively attracted to members of one sex who wishes to "experiment" with people of the other. THIS IS NOT GAY-SLANG; this is MAINSTREAM and understood to mean exactly the same thing!
 * Bi-curious

-	:A pejorative term for an unwavering insistence on strict conformity to particular ideals of appearance (such as muscularity, slimness, amount of body hair, etc.). Reaction against it has been the birth of the Bear, Chub, and Gender Blender subcultures, among others. COINED BY CINDY CRAWFORD in a 1992 interview with Cosmopolitan magazine; used to describe female beauty standards; not gay slang
 * Body fascism

-	:The reciprocal to a sugar daddy; the younger partner in a relationship with an older man. Suggests a primary interest in money, a good time, sex, experience, advice, and/or the desire to find a father figure. COINED BY MADONNA; ca. 1983, again referring to women; not gay men; not gay slang
 * Boy toy

-      :Being unable or unwilling to admit one's homosexuality or bisexuality. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG -	:Derogatory term for a gay woman; the lesbian equivalent of faggot. NOT GAY SLANG; PEJORATIVE SLANG CREATED BY NON-GAYS TO INSULT GAYS -	:Someone with whom one has sex but with whom one is not involved in a relationship. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG -	An athletic, muscular man. See stud. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG -	:Very varied, explorative, wild sex. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG -	:Hairless; often used to refer to a gay man lacking chest hair. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG -	:Heterosexual. COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG
 * Denial, in denial, Queen of Denial, Cleopatra
 * Dyke
 * Feminine; effeminate (usually of a lesbian or bisexual woman, but sometimes of gay men). COMMON TERM; NOT GAY SLANG
 * Fuck buddy
 * Jock
 * Kinky
 * Smooth
 * Straight

Metrosexual, removal
this word is not used exclusivly nor created by the GLBT community i should be permanently removed

These terms are NOT gay slang; though they are still used in the gay community, they retain their meanings even out-side the gay community. Thanks to Jdredmond for the tip! --Julien Deveraux 07:51, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Other gay slang listings
I think it would be good to mention other gay slang listings. In particlular I think there should be a reference to- Rodgers, B. (1972). The Queen's Vernacular; a Gay Lexicon. San Francisco: Straight Arrow.

It's where I learned a sailor was a "Chicken of the Sea"

Removed, III
...as not gay slang, or as nonsense (several of these items have been removed before and/or discussed above):


 * Brown Eye, Brown Star
 * an anus


 * Drilling
 * Rough anal sex.


 * GLBT
 * G ay, L esbian, B isexual, and T ransgendered. See also LGBT.


 * Hetty
 * Somewhat pejorative term for someone/thing that is heterosexual


 * Hung
 * Having a large penis; being "well endowed." Often well hung.


 * Kink
 * Having a kinky quality; a fetish, an unusual sexual proclivity.


 * Meanwhile
 * Term sometimes used by gay men to point out an attractive man walking nearby. (Source: the movie The Broken Hearts Club.)


 * Mince
 * To walk (usually affectedly) in short steps in the manner of an effeminate gay male; (British 1950's journalist's comments about Liberace, a middle to late C20th US entertainer) :"...deadly, winking, sniggering, snuggling, chromium-plated, scent-impregnated, luminous, quivering, giggling, fruit-flavored, mincing, ice-covered heap of mother-love". Usually pejorative. Derived from Polari and no longer confined solely to gay usage.


 * Punchfisting
 * Fisting, but with a fist instead of with the fingers streched outwards.


 * Switch
 * Someone who is both a bottom and a top. See also Versatile


 * Teabagging
 * Popularized by a John Waters movie. Can refer to a go-go dancer placing his scrotum on the forehead of a bar patron (originally it was a practice practiced at the Bottoms up bar in Kings Cross, Sydney where the stripper would place his scrotum in the glass of the patron); also, placing the testicles into the mouth of a sex partner, usually from above, and often with a "dipping" motion.

(also spelled Uber Dyke) A very butch lesbian (über is a prefix meaning "overly so" in German).
 * Über Dyke
 * Uncut
 * (also UC): uncircumcised.


 * Well hung
 * see Hung.


 * Zegers
 * A pretentious, pompous, and/or overly egocentric homosexual. Considered mildly offensive.


 * Zhop
 * Term taken from Orson Scott Card's "Homecoming" series. Originally, according to the book, an archaic term meaning anus.

Exploding Boy 00:11, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Feel free to repost
If I'm wrong that "Sticky Charly" is not gay slang, please someone repost it with citation, if possible. I've never heard this term and neither has google.

Moved list to its own article
I moved the canonical list of words and phrases to its own article. It was overpowering the main reason for this entry: to provide an encyclopedic definition, explanation and history of gay slang among various cultures. The article was little more than bookends to a modern Polari term list - or an LGBT version of Wiktionary. - Davodd 06:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, it's been nearly 6 months, and this article continues to languish. Why we need to have two separate articles--Gay slang and List of gay slang words and phrases--instead of one integrated one, I don't know.  Exploding Boy 05:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * In my observation, the list article is basically a bunch of unreferenced original research (at best). This article, although small, is at least referenced. Davodd 03:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The list is gone :(
Ok, I may be coming into this a bit late. But it appears from this talk page that when the list of words was part of this article, it was well taken care of. After it was split, it deteriorated and was deleted. Is there any point in trying to get some of the most common terms back in here? We have words that come from Polari, but not words that come from English with non-standard meanings. I don't think that would turn this into Wiktionary. Wiktionary has separate articles for each word. A list of the most common slang, in the context of an article about slang, is something different. It seems to me that having it in one place could help avoid a bunch of dicdef articles. Thoughts? --Alynna 18:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed Butch, Drag, and Troll from the list of Polari words. Troll has been in use for quite some time in heterosexual communities and common parlance, both in the noun and verb forms. Butch has its beginnings in America back in 1945 as a variation in the use of the proper name, and though it most likely originated with LGBT populations it also saw common use as an insult. Finally, drag is not Polari and has its actual origins in the theater slang of the Elizabethan british theater.

Resurrection?
I'm wondering in what form the list would survive, and in what wikiproject. I miss it, and think it was valuable (albeit flawed) addition to the project. Since I'm an admin, I can go and look at the deleted list, but I'd rather it existed in a live form that could be improved, sourced and updated. Anyone have any thoughts on this? If there is some agreement on resurrecting it in a different form or place, I'd be happy to bring it back.-- Samuel Wantman 01:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This page should be returned to its previous state, before Davodd split it into two articles (and the second one apparently disappeared and this one became a permanent stub). The article was fine as it was.  Exploding Boy 16:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: metrosexual - agree...
wholeheartedly. the only people i've heard using that term are heterosexual.rich 11:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Donkey ass?!
Time for cleanup, maybe? Joie de Vivre 20:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

THIS PAGE SUCKS NOW
the list was amazing AND hilarious. now it just plain sucks. some effing polari person made it all polari. polari is relevant ONLY to britain and is contested amongst linguists. the real list of gay slang that was here NEEDS TO COME BACK. or this little queen will be VERY angry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.164.55 (talk) 05:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Call for Removal of Page
It's time to just delete this altogether. I don't see its relevance at all.
 * Agreed, there's barely even anything there anyway.--Skyler (:^| 23:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Article is irrelevant--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 06:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. At the very least this needs to be updated.  I'm around the LGBT community a lot, and I haven't heard any of these words used (or at least used more than once or twice) in the past five years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.246.177.160 (talk) 05:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Disagree... everyone one here is a queen that's mad that us strait people can laugh about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.33.229 (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm gay and I've only heard one of these terms in my life and, as previously stated, there isn't much here anyway.--Jeff214 (talk) 16:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Following moved from article.
The following was moved from the main article to here as it is original research:

Other less used slang terms Other less noted slang terms include; funguy: this is a homosexual male who is into every type of gay sex act and fetish, he is particularly noted in gay clubs where he dresses and behaves flamboyantely. Linker man is a term used where a gay male dresses in gay attire which must include chains.

Davodd (talk) 00:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed 'Linquistic fluid'
I am not expert in either language or LGBT culture. However, I found the opening paragraph an awkward read. It was one block of text with a single period. It was not a normal sentence. In addition, the opening phrase "By its nature, slang is a fluid linguistically" was unclear. If this is a term used in the formal study of linguistics, it is not easy to find. I doubt that it is a common enough term to be accessible to a lay audience. The term 'fluid' is not to be found in the definition of 'slang'. The term 'ephemeral', on the other hand, *is* found in at least one definition of the term. It has a common meaning that is apropos in this context. I feel my edit is an improvement, but feel free to revert if I've screwed something up. I will not be offended. [This is DeepNorth if you need to find me. I came here because I encountered the acronym 'LBD' in a movie and had no idea what it meant. Explaining that to my kids sometime in the future would be tedious. This at least puts me at one remove. Great job on this article, BTW. The references to LBD were driving me nuts.]

The following:

"By its nature, slang is a fluid linguistically and terms used in one generation may fall out of favour and pass out of usage, for instance, in the 1960s and 1970s the slang terms "cottage" (UK) and "tearoom" (US) - meaning public bathroom used for sex, had fallen out of use to the point of being unrecognizable by members of the LGBT community by 1999."

Changed to:

"Slang is ephemeral. Terms used in one generation may pass out of usage in another. In the 1960s and 1970s, for instance, the terms "cottage" (UK) and "tearoom" (US) were used to denote public bathrooms used for sex. By 1999 these had fallen out of use to the point of being unrecognizable by members of the LGBT community."

I am aware that this can be found in the history, so feel free to remove. I am just putting this in as a convenience so someone else can look it over and pass judgment without attempting to figure out when the edit was made. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.49.186 (talk) 09:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Common Gay Slang Terms

 * Bottom
 * Catcher
 * Drag
 * Friend of Dorothy
 * Pitcher
 * Top
 * Twink
 * Queen

List is a re-creation of List of gay slang words and phrases. - Davodd (talk) 00:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

removed section
ROBERT SCOTT'S GAY SLANG DICTIONARY The first gay slang dictionary to appear on the Internet was by Robert Owen Scott, Jr. In the early '80s Mr. Scott started to write a book Scott international Gay Almanac, with 282 topics which he called chapters, these chapters were published in a number of Gay periodicals and published to the Internet. Chapter 48 was title "Dictionary of Gay slang." This chapter was first published to the Internet in Gay newsgroup in 1985, where he was seeking gay slang information from the gay community.. From 1985, the dictionary was under the title "Gay Slang Dictionary", and published primarily in Internet newsgroups. The first addition was more like an almanac, with many topics headings by 1988 the gay slang topic had grown to the point where it could be a stand-alone book. The decision was made to separate the dictionary, from the "Gay almanac." In 1989 the dictionary was placed on URL:www.hurricane.net/~wizard under the name "Robert Scott's Gay Slang Dictionary," with over 5000 entries. After years of research and publishing information as a gay activist and being a spiritual leader in the gay community Mr. Scott started to become a celebrity. It became evident to Mr. Scott that he wanted to maintain some anonymity for this reason he stopped using his name and replaced it with a pen name Wizard, With that the first addition was ended on 12-20-1994. With the new update the name was changed to Wizard's Gay Slang Dictionary. May 30th 2003 Mr. Scott announced that he was retiring from actively working on the dictionary because of health reasons. He had just had a stroke and wasn't in good health, he did not want the dictionary to die, for that reason he offered the book for nonprofit publication. From that time on his dictionary has become the source for many other dictionary's on the Internet. On June 11 2005, Wizards Gay Slang Dictionary has moved to a new location http://wizardsgayslang.com/ As of July 31, 2008 When doing a Google search for this dictionary there is 25,000 hits using the name Wizards Gay Slang Dictionary and 38,600 Robert Scott's Gay Slang Dictionary. I've removed this section that was just added. Although it may be true it certainly needs to be written better as well as incorporate better into the existing article. Banj e b oi   18:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Language
Languages other than English have gay slang too. I believe it is extensive in Japan. If anyone has knowledge of this, it would help.

Akohler Talk @ 13:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

List of sources to better this article
The following is a list of sources available on line that editors may want to use to better this article: -- Davodd (talk) 20:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Search for "gay slang" on Google Scholar
 * Fantabulosa: The Dictionary of Polari and Gay Slang By Paul Baker
 * Speaking in queer tongues: globalization and gay language By William Leap, Tom Boellstorff
 * The Pervasiveness of Slang in Standard and Non-Standard English by Elisa Matticello
 * Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World ... By George Chauncey

Expansion
Article only mentions Polari and Japanese Slang. Needs to be expanded to include all known slang. There are several which are virtually languages (much like Polari) like the Filipino Swardspeak, Indonesian Bahasa Binan, and the South African Gayle language and IsiNgqumo.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul   14:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Polari
This article says Polari was developed by gay men; the Polari article says it was developed by circus people, actors, Punch and Judy performers and prostitutes and latterly adopted by gay men. Which is correct? 86.143.68.214 (talk) 11:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think/hope the article means "developed" in the sense of "elaborated/evolved" rather than "invented" (which even the reference doesn't appear to claim); I'll take a stab at clarifying. AV3000 (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A form of whitewashing I guess. Isn't saying 'circus people, actors, Punch and Judy performers, and prostitutes' basically the same as saying 'social outcasts'? That was the status of gay men during its formation anyway, and incidentally the only trades they could basically be openly gay was those mentioned.-- Obsidi ♠ n Soul   14:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Besides which, several of the terms listed are either not derived from Polari (gym bunny and Muscle Mary, which a moment's consideration will reveal as obviously American in origin - and probably Californian at that), or were simply common UK English words to begin with (bumming, from the UK English bum, the buttocks or anus, has been a common jocular or pejorative name for anal sex since time began, or shortly thereafter)
 * Nuttyskin (talk) 00:22, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Gay vs Lesbian slang
Hi all, this page is very dominated by Gay Male slang. Anyone got any good references for Lesbian slang? Gunners4Life — Preceding undated comment added 00:33, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Lesbian slang
This should probably not be a separate section, since the other sections are divided by country, and the source doesn't seem so hot either--the line "What terms did I accidentally leave out? Let me know in the comment section below and I’ll be sure to include them in!" suggests that it's a somewhat indiscriminate crowdsourced collection that draws on anecdotes rather than reliable sources. I'll remove it tomorrow if there are no objections between now and then. However, since there would then be a lack of adequate coverage of lesbian slang, I'm going to look for more sources (and put the resulting material in one of the other existing sections). ekips 39 19:14, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Non-English
How can anyone justify the use of obsure termonology, especially in a title? The term 'LGBT' is still obscure and has no wide acceptability in current English usage. It doesn't even appear in most dictionaries. In other words, if you used the term in speech, most people would not know what you are talking about. Neither is it a commonly used term in the media. The use of jargon in this artical breaches the notion of what an encyclopedia is for: passing on informative factual information. It should be spelt out to make it understandable.

The term's prevalence in Wikipedia is suspicious and smacks of propoganda by a special interest group. Cacadores (talk) 22:32, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see news articles and books which use the acronym. It's also a relatively young term, so I bet the 'most dictionaries' you were referring to were pre-1990's. Try looking at newer ones like the online Oxford dictionary and Merriam-Webster dictionary. Heck, Obama has used it:


 * Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans.
 * &mdash; Barack Obama, Speech at Howard University, September 28, 2007


 * LGBT is also a reasonably neutral term and abides by the policies in Article titles. It's an acronym for convenience, spelling out "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender slang" is a bit clunky isn't it? No one would actually search for that.


 * And I have no idea why using LGBT would qualify as propaganda. That's like saying LDS Business College is spreading propaganda because it uses LDS in its article title.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  23:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem here — I'm saying this as a foreigner, from a non english speaking country, namely France — is that the article, as it appears in April 2018, is overwhelmingly about male homosexuality slang and cubculture, sorry, subculture (I promise that this is a fortuitous typo which I just noticed after re-reading this comment, but I'll let it here as I find it hilarious !). So, either it is very incomplete, and should also include terms or practices common among the so-called “L”, “B” and “T” people, or there is a specificity with male homosexuality behaviour, that this generic title is trying to obfuscate. I would venture that both are true : the article could indeed be completed with a few lesbian slang terms for instance, but there is still an overwhelming specificity of male homosexual subculture, which is the most visible and prevalent aspect of the so-called “L-G-B-T” lifestyle and cultural prominence, as evidenced by the number of gay magazines, gay clubs, gay hookup venues, there is simply no equivalent for lesbian women or transsexual people, and that should be clearly stated somewhere (well, transsexual people do have quite a number of specific slang terms, but they mostly relate to the fact of becoming one, the so-called “transition”, as opposed to their, let's say, idea of fun). As for the constant use of that acronym, I would personally find it offensive, were I to be among that heterogeneous crowd, to be constantly refered to as one letter among a constantly growing package of, let's say, sexually non-standard people (it's a bit like the blades on hand razors, there's a new one every other year — most I've seen so far is “LGBTQAP+”, will it stop there, or will they use the whole alphabet someday ?), and the very fact of being embarrassed at the prospect of saying out loud each name of each of these groups with specific issues and aspirations, is quite telling : I totally agree with “Cacadores” above, “LGBT” reeks of Newspeak and propaganda, it's not meant to inform but to occupy the media channels in a palatable manner, and quoting Barack Obama saying it in a “public relations” speech only points to that fact. Furthermore, the very fact that these are considered as “civil rights” issues is problematic : those are mere behaviours, normally people choose their behaviour with all its consequences, good or bad (read a little about Jean-Paul Sartre's notion of freedom : there is no predefined “essence” which determines human behaviour, even the most irrepressible action has to be chosen somehow, or there is no freedom at all, and presenting human experience that way, denying any responsibility for one's actions and life choices, is what he called bad faith), but nowadays, groups of people come to the fore and say that their behaviour was somehow imposed on them (child molesters or mass murderers could say the same !), thus claiming special rights as a compensation, exerting sustained pressure to overhaul and dismantle institutions which have structured civilization for centuries, in the name of “equality”. And that is completely insane.--Abolibibelot (talk) 14:15, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Article contents
"gay who frequents beaches and resoles for sexual encounters" I presume this is supposed to be "resorts" rather than "resoles" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.236.71 (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

This page is absolutely terrible: it should comprise slang that is largely unique to the gay community, but instead, it's more of a slang guide to sex in general. Heterosexuals, for example, refer to blowjobs as BJs, so this is hardly unique amongst gay people, and many other terms may be similarly summarized as human slang rather than LGBT slang. Furthermore, the omission of actual modern gay common parlance, such as terms like "kiki" or "tea" leads me to believe that this article was written by someone out of touch who has no idea what they're talking about. The quality of this article, I must conclude, is very poor. Vorpal22 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 2018-12-02T07:10:46

Reviewing and Updating
Hi everyone! I am looking to potentially review and improve this article. Right now the article reads more as something from a dictionary with just a small amount of additional information.

I propose the expansion of the scope of this article to include more about the usage of these terms within the LGBT community. The terms that people choose to self-identify are important and provide insight into their lives. Bringing in this potential angle will give more depth to the article.

The terms included are also largely from the Western part of the world. The very small Japanese section is the only mention to non-Western slang and vocab. Providing other regions' vocab in the article will be one of the quickest ways to greatly improve the article.

The article in general would benefit from a proofreading and formatting review. The large, bulky tables break up the flow of the little supplemental information that exists. Perhaps the tables could be broken into various subsections, such as Body Types, which would explain slang such as bear and twink and butch.

Please let me know if any of you have comments on these proposals! Brookeenglish (talk) 19:10, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello! I am trying to update and improve this page for a class project. I agree with user Brookeenglish that this page is more of a dictionary of slang than a page where people can learn about the background and history of slang.

As said by previous editors, this page is mostly about slang that gay men use. There is little mention of slang terms used by lesbians, transgender people, or any other LGBTQ+ communities. It is also very U.S./U.K.-centric, leaving LGBTQ+ people from the rest of the world out of the picture. Smnananm (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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This article is terrible: it describes a smattering of gay slang, but misses many important terms, and delves too far into general human slang: e.g. BJ. It needs serious rewriting and consideration. Vorpal22 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:12, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Have no fear! I am new here but I am taking a class for college where we are doing a project that involves editing a wikipedia page and I have chosen to fix this one! Soon this page will look beautiful and lovely and be much more complete :) 06:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC) Mollz, 2-8-2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MollzMayes (talk • contribs)

Request for an edit: add new word
The word "Transbian" refers to a transgender lesbian; i recommend adding that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.5.152.129 (talk) 03:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Please add any words that fit the article and are reliably sourced, thank you. A145GI15I95 (talk) 18:18, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Photos/Media?
I still wanted to add something for my project so is it okay if I add some pictures if I can find any? Just wanted to make sure, thanks

MollzMayes (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)MollzMayes


 * I, for one, don't object. It's not required, but if you prefer feedback before editing live, perhaps you could link here to your image ideas, or to your sandbox, or ask here about where in page-flow to place. Please, of course, mind Wikipedia's rules, such as Image_use_policy and Manual_of_Style/Images. Cheers, A145GI15I95 (talk) 02:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you User:A145GI15I95! I have created a gallery for images but I'm not sure how to make it look nicer. I am not very good at Wikipedia formatting and finding images I can use is proving to be difficult because I want to make sure to use images already on Wikipedia. MollzMayes (talk) 02:55, 16 April 2019 (UTC)MollzMayes


 * When we reply on talk pages, we generally indent using incrementally more colons, as I've done for you now. We almost always otherwise avoid touching each other's talk-page contributions, however, so I won't do that again.
 * Regarding your two recent additions: I think the protest image is good; it shows people using LGBT slang words. The bear flag, however, would be better on a page about symbols.
 * Regarding placement: You've now pushed the see-also and refs to the right, leaving a tall margin on the left. It looks like an error. I'd recommend moving up to either the "Other languages" section, or better (more-relevant), the "History and context" section. And right-alignment (since Wikipedia text is left-aligned). Perhaps have a look at how images are placed on this random article. I don't think a gallery is appropriate without enough images to fill the width of the page.
 * Nor seems a gallery quite to make sense for this context. Note that its addition adds a "Gallery" item to the page outline (table of contents). I might guess a gallery would show examples of the subject matter. But this is a page about words; there are no images of the words, only images that might illustrate examples of the words' usage or applicability.
 * Finally, I just want to add that I'm no expert or authority in this realm, just another user. I'm talking as I think, and I google when I'm lost. A145GI15I95 (talk) 03:50, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

propose to add the Q at the end of LGBT on this page-
because that's how it is used. Also do not merge the slang LGBTQ people use with the slurs hate groups use against us on a definitions page. Imagine trying to look up what a top is and finding all that hate listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.184.139.49 (talk) 02:17, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. If the content is on-topic, and validly sourced using reliable sources, then it should remain. At least, until you can gain consensus for removing it based on Wikipedia policy and guidelines. You could try arguing that it is off-topic, as you seem to be implying, because LGBT people do not use certain of the slurs listed, and see if you get buy-in on that reading of the article topic. I don’t see it that way, but maybe others would. Mathglot (talk) 09:11, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Definition of "Cotton Ceiling"
The currently displayed definition for "cotton ceiling" is in conflict with WP:SOAP. The idea that it's about "lesbian women refusing to have sex with pre-op transgender women" is an anti-transgender spin on the actual meaning. ; If you notice the publication dates on the two functioning references in the current article, you might notice that the anti-transgender "re-imagining" of the definition of this term is a recent machination, as anti-transgender efforts have increased by various groups. The term, coined by Drew DeVeaux in 2012, is about how transgender women have a societal barrier to being accepted as who they are due to what they have in their underwear, hence the "cotton ceiling." . The term is not about cisgender lesbians; it is about the oppression transgender women face. The current definition is also unclear in the sense of "whose cotton panties are being referenced? The cisgender lesbian or the transgender woman?" The answer should be "the transgender woman's", as that's what the definition of the phrase is. Finally, the citation for number 27 does not have a functional link; the article can be found here

BeeMoodPremiumOffense (talk) 09:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)BeeMoodPremiumOffense


 * The Curve article you link is different from the previous Curve article linked in this Wikipedia article. I've replaced the dead URL with an archive URL. Regarding your other points, could you offer a suggested rewording? Thanks, WikiWikiHigh (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Chinese and Hebrew etc.
Let us remove it. WP is not Wiktionary. Zezen (talk) 13:42, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of LGBT slang terms § Merge discussion
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of LGBT slang terms § Merge discussion. Elizium23 (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

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Sources to expand this slang page, relating to animals and LGBTQ community
For the benefit of @User:Another Believer, in the belief that the Animals in LGBT culture page may be merged, I'm copying over their work here, so the discussion can continue on a page that won't be nominated for AfD and undoubtedly can be expanded if need be. There could even be a section specifically focused on LGBTQ animals. @User:Tazuco, you may also be interested in this discussion.


 * Source for "otter"
 * Source for "bear"
 * Source for "Doe", "Tomcat", and "Crow" (another possible source here)
 * Source for "gymrat"
 * More on bear, cub, otter, wolf

Any appropriate bear culture terms should be added to Bear_(gay_culture).

I'd also like to propose that we add more to the section about unicorn, using the sources like Mic, The Guardian, gaystar news, and Refinery29 (its one of those sites which doesn't work on the Wayback Machine from what I remember). Maybe if there was enough sources, it could have its own section for a start (only give it a page unless there is a heck ton of sources). I mean, one of the characters in She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, [Wind / Spirit|Swift Wind] was a pegasus/unicorn, and I'd imagine there are other characters too, with The Guardian stating that "The unicorn has also done its bit for the LGBT community in the last century" and noting it has become a LGBTQ symbol, among many other possible sources out there.

Also this list of terms in the South Florida Gay News could be a good guide to looking into this topic further. Historyday01 (talk) 22:43, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for tagging me. I support adding these here, if the decision is going to be merge. — Tazuco  PICOL icon Mail.svg 18:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I added them myself, and some others, except gymrat, although it's referred as a gay slang, I'd opine it seems too general (cishet men can be gym rats), just as the slang hunk. But I used that source for twunk. Thanks — Tazuco  PICOL icon Mail.svg 12:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tazuco I don't feel super strongly about "gym rat", but just FYI this specific term is also being discussed at Talk:Animals_in_LGBT_culture, if you're interested. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh I saw that but hadn't read all the thread. I think gym rat is appropriate in that article, but it sounds differently when we put it as an LGBT slang inherently. Even though some terms here are not exclusively LGBT so I don't care that much. I will wait the merge. — Tazuco  PICOL icon Mail.svg 15:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

I recently compiled a very long list of sources in a Google Docs document, detailing why and how "Trap" is a slur, and gets trans women hurt and killed.
TW/CN: Transphobia, Misogyny, Transmisogyny, Sexism, Cissexism, "Trans-Panic" Defense, Violence, Murder, Injury/Bodily Harm, and so on.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/195Ro7JJ85zyegyzSO7sUQkbHrNJj5psDuJiFwvWngaQ/edit?usp=sharing

(I'm currently a person who is undecided and questioning my own gender/sex identity and sexual and romantic orientation right now, by the way.)

Sincerely yours, ⁣

Krextzin (talk) 01:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)KrextzinKrextzin (talk) 01:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, thanks for the research!
 * Unfortunately, self-published content on websites like YouTube, Twitter, and Reddit, and blog platforms are generally not acceptable on Wikipedia as reliable sources. The best source here regarding trap is the GLAAD Media Reference, which lists it among several terms considered "derogatory", "dehumanizing", and "vulgar epithets", but doesn't give a useful definition of the term.
 * By the way, if you wanted to post a very long list of URLs to a talk page, you could put them between and  templates. Some editors might be hesitant or unable to open an external link to websites like Google Docs. Warm regards, – RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 02:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Roxy, I was just going to ping you, because I know you updated that section of the article recently, and wanted to make sure you saw this. But you got here first; so good work!
 * Krextzin, I just wanted to underline what RoxySaunders said about self-published sources, so make sure you stay away from Urban Dictionary, Tumblr, meme sites, Rational Wiki (or any wiki) and any of the sites Roxy mentioned. Mathglot (talk) 04:14, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Source excerpt for trap
The Appendix in Trans and Genderqueer Subjects in Medieval Hagiography gives the following entry on "trap":

This source is fairly difficult to acquire access to, but so far it is the most in-depth and scholarly source I could find explaining the term, so I'm reproducing it here for future reference (either by myself or others). Regards, –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 06:38, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * This does pretty aptly lay out the problem with the word as a trans slur, but I have my concerns about just how scholarly it is. The writing style and word choice is certainly... loaded, and feels more like a column on a news site in some places. The first four sentences are great up until the usage of "lust" and "existential chaos" and from there it goes fairly deeper absolutely demonizing this unidentified strawman cishet. To use wiki terms, it makes some very exceptional claims without any sources, or evidence, let alone exceptional ones. Regardless, thank you for your efforts in producing sources. GabberFlasted (talk) 11:32, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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Ball culture
One of the entries here refers to "ball culture" but it's not defined in its own entry. -- Dough34 (talk) 05:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Both contain links to our article, Ball culture, though. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 09:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

"Queer"
This term as slang originates from the actual definition in UK English, it is how the term evolved to be used as a slur and then later taken on by the LGBT+ community as the umbrella term which is now used widely. (Not sure why it's been deemed an edit war, when I have not breached the 3 revert rule or even come close to such, I reverted a revertion ONCE and that person has since reverted it a second time, so if anything the other person is edit warring? kinda confused on that, but oh well..)

I feel (and yes I am a part of the LGBT+ comunity myself as well as being an autist with a special interest in linguistics and the etymology of terms) that it is extremely important to have the context, and to also ensure that the truth of the language is included. It is incorrect to refer to the "origin" as something which it is not, the origin is literally the UK English adjective meaning things like weird, strange etc., this inclusion would thereby clarify how the term has evolved to become the current slang used within the LGBT+ community today. 94.174.239.118 (talk) 14:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for bringing this to the talk page! You are correct that context is important but adding "sufficient" (an arbitrary amount here) context would bloat this article into a more difficult-to-read state. The main article Queer is much more suited for detailed information and linguistic origins of the word, while this page is more aimed towards listing common LGBTQ+ slang terms and briefly introducing their role and usage. A great deal of the terms here have their own pages dedicated to them, so anyone curious beyond what terms are slang for what, can easily find more information.
 * Regarding your edit-war warning, I also think it was a bit premature given that you reverted only once. In any case, I appreciate your descriptive edit summaries and willingness to discuss on this talk page. GabberFlasted (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Non-constructive editing by 2604:3d09:8689:1800:3571:214a:bdc7:469a
If you have an issue with the language used in the article, please discuss in the talk page before resorting to deleting large parts of the article. Thanks in advance! Chandelier943 (talk) 03:54, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024
Under LGBT subgroups, in the section for bears, there is a missing period between "a larger and often hairier man" and "The bear subgroup..." where one should be. 64.33.110.69 (talk) 19:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Jamedeus (talk) 19:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)