Talk:LX National QSL Bureau

This article has been revised because of uncompleted and misleading information by the authors.

Content dispute
To the IPs that are adding/removing a paragraph about RL National QSL Bureau, please discuss the issue here instead of edit warring. Perhaps you could seek the assistance of WikiProject Amateur radio and/or WikiProject Luxembourg. ... disco spinster   talk  22:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Facts
The uncompleted and misleading information in this article makes it as useless ass the complete LX National QSL Bureau itself. Fact is that there is only one official QSL Bureau in Luxembourg. Ignoring the truth will not change it ! The fact that the author of this article does not allow any rectification, proves clearly that he is not interest at all to have a neutral and informative article online. He completely misunderstood the concept of Wikipedia.

At least the part "All QSL bureaus of national Societies, members of IARU, have to send their QSL Cards to Luxembourg exclusively to RL National QSL Bureau!" shows that qsl.rlx.lu tries to convert people to their dictatorial thinking. There is a possibility that more than one bureau can persist. In fact, there are 2 bureaus really existing. That's the truth, see the article's references. But every man should decide himself which bureau he wants to use. The obligation (or threat?) above ("exclusively to RL National QSL Bureau!") should not be part of an encyclopedic article. Wikipedia's concept is the appropriation of useful information and not manipulating statements like this!!

Background :

In July 2014, the ADRAD Kayldall a.s.b.l. and the LARU a.s.b.l. (less than 40 members together) establish an illegitimate and unrecognized QSL Bureau, called "LX National QSL Bureau" ??? This misleading name "LX National QSL Bureau" was chosen by those non IARU recognized societies to deceive international QSL Bureaus and redirect the QSL Cards. This happen without collusion of the RL, the official Luxembourg IARU representative which operates the LX National QSL Bureau. Consequently all QSL bureaus of national Societies, members of IARU, have to send their QSL Cards to Luxembourg exclusively to RL QSL bureau. Based on IARU resolution 85-9 concerning QSL bureaus, all LX amateur radio operators, member or not of the RL, can get their QSL Cards via RL QSL bureau. More information's could be found at http://qsl.rlx.lu Well, RL is the exclusive IARU representative. That isn't giving you the right to be the only bureau in Luxembourg. Any association can create a bureau if needed. So it is incomprehensible that you call the LX National QSL Bureau illegitimate and unrecognized!! I thought that Wikipedia isn't made for propaganda... Please provide correct and allowable information and not this insolent junk. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Original-ginger (talk • contribs) 23:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Irrelevant information
The article is about the LX National QSL Bureau. Currently the article mentions: The LX National QSL Bureau has nothing to do with the RL National QSL Bureau. That information is not on topic. What is the RL National QSL Bureau? Why doesn't that anonymous IP create an article for the RL National QSL Bureau instead of hijacking the article about the LX National QSL Bureau?

The LX National QSL Bureau is neither recognized nor supported by the RL (Radioamateurs du Luxembourg). Is that information relevant? The LX National QSL Bureau does not support the RL QSL Bureau. Shall this also be mentioned? All QSL bureaus of national Societies, members of IARU, have to send their QSL Cards to Luxembourg exclusively to RL National QSL Bureau! Is this a place for propaganda? Where are the laws encouraging this strange view?

''The LX National QSL Bureau has nothing to do with the RL National QSL Bureau. This article is about the LX National QSL Bureau and not about the RL National QSL Bureau. The above paragraph is irrelevant.'' What's the use of this strange paragraph? Why isn't it removed?

Super-gel (talk) 08:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Well it is so easy that even you should understand it!

This misleading name "LX National QSL Bureau" was chosen by you to deceive international QSL Bureaus and redirect the QSL Cards for Luxembourg.
 * Why do you call the name of the LX National QSL Bureau misleading? Isn't the goal of the LX National QSL Bureau to receive QSL cards from all over the world in order to distribute them to all the amateur radio operators in Luxembourg because the QSL bureau you are heavily advertising for does not forward QSL cards to all amateur radio operators, except if they pay money to that bureau, which they may not be willing to do? In that case cards are lost which clearly hams amateur radio. Super-gel (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

As you clearly write "..The LX National QSL Bureau does not support the RL QSL Bureau..." That's the major problem !! Cards that unsuspecting people are sending to your pirate bureau by mistake are never reaching the recipient. Those cards are lost for ever and will harm the image of EVERY LX amateur radio operator. Is that what you are calling "ham-spirit" ?
 * Do you have any proof for your assumption that QSL cards will be lost? Did you read the agreement of the LX National QSL Bureau (available at www.qsl.lu) which states: The incoming QSL bureau is based on absolute "hamspirit". Free access is granted to incoming QSL cards for all amateur radio operators with luxembourgish callsign (prefix LX)., and Incoming QSL cards for amateur radio operators whose club membership is known will be forwarded to the concerned club., and Amateur radio operators whose club membership is unknown, or who are not members of a club can have their QSL cards after consultation. ? Super-gel (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

That's why, it is very important to clear up people and protect them against you and your senseless attempts to harm the whole Luxembourg amateur radio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.226.120 (talk) 17:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you have any proof that the goal of the LX National QSL Bureau is to harm the amateur community? Isn't the goal of this bureau to do the amateur radio community a favour, because the bureau you are advertising for does only forward cards after it has been given money? Is that what you call hamspirit? Super-gel (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

New paragraph
Well it is so easy that even you should understand it! '''Hey anonymous guy, please stay fair!! This is unacceptable...'''

I just added a new paragraph which explains that LX National QSL Bureau isn't going to deceive other bureau or someone else. As super-gel told above, the old paragraph is irrelevant and brings no serious information about the LX National QSL Bureau, so this wikipedia article isn't the right place for posting this kind of "information".

Anonymous guy, tell me just if you can prove this statement: Cards that unsuspecting people are sending to your pirate bureau by mistake are never reaching the recipient This is a serious assumption! Please stay true! Thank you. :)

Original-ginger (talk) 18:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

If the goal of your pirate QSL bureau is not to deceive other QSL bureaus, why did you sent hundreds of letters to other official IARU QSL bureaus asking, they should send the cards in the future to your bureau?
 * Why do you call the LX National QSL Bureau a pirate bureau? Piracy is typically an act of robbery or criminal violence. Do you have any proof that the LX National QSL Bureau acts against national or international laws? In which terms the LX National QSL Bureau is it in relation which violence? Isn't it normal that a new bureau advertises for itself? Is there any national or international law forbidding to send letters to other QSL bureaus? Super-gel (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

There is no reason why they should do that especially because it is against the IARU policy. Based on IARU resolution 85-9 concerning QSL bureaus, all LX amateur radio operators, member or not of the RL, can get their QSL Cards via RL QSL bureau.
 * Why do you hide behind a IARU resolution which hinders a free circulation of QSL cards? Why don't you clearly state that all LX amateur radio operators can only get their QSL cards vie the RL bureau after they have given money to that bureau? Why don't you advertise that this is not the case for LX National QSL Bureau which distributes QSL cards free of charge to all LX amateur radio operators? Super-gel (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

All IARU affiliated QSL Bureau has to sent the cards to the RL QSL Buro. That is the truth. If you can accept the truth and you leave my last remark on your article, I will not touch anymore on it. If not, we will play this game on forever.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.226.120 (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but we do not hide behind a IARU resolution. Maybe you forgot that the RL was one of the founding members of the IARU. Those IARU resolutions are developed in cooperation with the IARU, the RL and other affiliated member societies. If you ever read the policy you would know that the fee for non members is absolutely ridiculous and serves only to cover the expenses.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.226.120 (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * How can the RL be a founding member of the IARU? The IARU was founded in 1925. The RL was founded apparently in 1937. The policy you mention does not mention any concrete fees. Why doesn' that policy mention exact numbers how much it costs to free someones QSL cards so that the distribution of those cards can come to an end? How can you have expenses for cards you get for free from other QSL bureaus? And finally, what has all this discussion to do with the LX National QSL Bureau which distributes QSL cards for free to all amateur radio operators in Luxembourg? Super-gel (talk) 07:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it can take a little bit longer, but I'm sure, sooner or later even you can figure it out.


 * What's the use of insulting people on this platform? What's the relation of your strange comments with this article? Why don't you stay on topic? Super-gel (talk) 20:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Well I'm not insulting you, but it seams that you are very slow on the uptake or learn-resistant? All information you need are clearly explained in operation rules of the RL QSL service according to the IARU resolution 85-9 concerning QSL bureaus. It is clear that the IARU resolution 85-9 cannot mention any exact costs, because this rule is designed for different countries with different shipping and handling fees. There are no hidden cost or what's ever, but we are turning in circles.

I will not start over again and again and again ...................

If you need more information about the founding of the IARU, you can find those information's on the net or on the website of the RL.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.226.120 (talk) 04:59, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * What does all what you keep on talking about have to do with the LX National QSL Bureau? The LX National QSL Bureau has nothing to do with the RL QSL Bureau. The LX National QSL Bureau has nothing to do with the IARU. The LX National QSL Bureau serves the ham community with a free service by volunteers. Yet you keep on going philosophing about the RL, about the IARU, and about fees which aren't in any relation with the LX National QSL Bureau. So what's your point? Super-gel (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2015 (UTC)