Talk:LaBeouf, Rönkkö & Turner

Who were the attackers?
There seems to be an edit war over the white supremacists part. The New York Times mention "In one, he squared off against a man who made reference to white supremacist ideologies." so that is one person singular.

I'm a feeling the real story is more one of 4chan trolling than any involvement of neo-nazi groups. A Heatstreet article describes the participants as "4chan trolls, Proud Boys and college Republicans, many wearing Make America Great Again hats.". [https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/trump-supporters-and-neo-nazis-are-using-secret-chat-rooms-t? BuzzFeed] document the early involvement of 4chan, other alt-right people and certainly some neo-nazis. --Salix alba (talk): 20:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


 * There seems to be plenty of coverage of confrontations by both 4chan trolls, white supremacists and neo-Nazi groups, including individuals with "tattoos relating to the Nazi party and the Third Reich". I've inserted a couple more references for these confrontations, and broadened the scope of the wording. There also seem to be a lot of IP edits intent on removing the words "white supremacists" and replacing them with "Trump supporters" - but we should clearly be careful not to equate one with the other, so as not to lump in all of the latter with the former. Esmeme (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Very true. So, given how loaded the term "white supremacists" is, mayhaps there should be a significant burden of proof before using such terms. "Trump supporter" is pretty neutral, though that too would probably require some verification. The link you provide for instance doesn't even bother explaining how these are nazi tattoos... is it because it has a German name on it (talk about bigotry)? With trust in the media at 32%, and Poe's Law being invoked every day, I'm not so sure the idea of "reputable sources" still holds. It's a problem, and rather impossible to solve unless you find CNN and Breitbart agreeing on something ;). And how often is that gonna happen? --94.231.255.30 (talk) 14:17, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Concerns about refs 65, 73 & 74
I am still very new to editing Wikipedia, so I have opted to not make any changes to the sources myself, but I have concerns that references 65, 73 & 74 are not reliable as they are YouTube videos that are produced in a comedic manner and may have exaggerated or unverifiable facts. If anyone reads this, please give your opinion or make changes to the references yourself and let me know in a reply.

LexiTehGallade (talk) 12:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

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