Talk:LaVoy Finicum/Archive 1

Typo in article
"Death during occupaton" -> "Investigation" -> paragraph 4, sentence 3

"Deschutes County Sheriff's Office investigators, alonf with the district attorneys of Malheur and Harney Counties" (emphasis mine)
 * ✅. MB298 (talk) 23:22, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2016
adding the adjective "controversial" is biased and doesn't give any useful information; here's the usage: "claim by controversial Nevada legislator Michele Fiore"

71.226.122.49 (talk) 00:54, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ MB298 (talk) 00:59, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Move to Death of LaVoy Finicum
Per Notability(People), one should only have an article if one is notable for more than a single main thing. LaVoy is not, and that's why the only significant unique stuff in our article is about the Death of LaVoy Finicum.

Our article has 1. Has a couple biographical factoids we only learned in Occupation reporting and which are of dubious encyclopedic value, 2. Has a brief summary of his role at the occupation, which is also covered at the main occupation article and/or timeline article 3. And the rest is all about his death, and his death is the real topic here

Notice that we have nothing about his birthplace, parentage, where he grew up, significant events during adolescence, what he did before he hooked up with Bundys.... it's just not a biographical article. It's coverage of the main thing he's known for the occupation, and the part expounded here is his death. We should rename the article accordingly and purge the redundant/immaterial stuff. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I would tend to oppose, as he was the spokesperson for the Occupiers, he did have a certain personal philosophy about the whole Occupation that he espoused and taught others of in his many press conferences, and he was notable for more than merely his death, in so far as I can tell. Scott P. (talk) 01:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, we just don't have biographical details of the guy's life, and he is only seriously known in connection to the Occupation..... the things he did for the occupation while alive are (or can be) covered in the main and timeline articles. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 01:53, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I recuse myself here. Scott P. (talk) 02:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC) (Much easier that way!)
 * Before you go, the book is an interesting second point. Would the book have been noticed by anyone if it had not been for the occupation?  Probably not.  A google news search limited to 2015 (the year of publication and prior to the occupation in 2016) yielded just one hit, to CounterPunch which gave Finicum just 2-3 sentences. So despite the book's publication before the occupation, it was only noticed as a result of the occupation.  Nonetheless, as I mentioned in a later thread, the book probably merits its own article.  Is that something that would interest you?  NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:35, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, I must be getting old. All of the admin stuff today was a bit "draining" for me. I took a sort of vacation from editing any controversial articles on WP for the last year, and I'm seriously wondering if it is worth it for myself right about now. The main reason I was willing to jump back in on a controversial article was just to stick my toe in the water again, so to speak.  This return to anything potentially controversial on WP is all very tentative for me right now.  The only thing that really interests me at all after this would be that Wiki Project as I first started it, but even that doesn't look very likely to succeed right about now.  We are both trying to do what we think is best.  I certainly take no offence at your trying to do your best.  Thank you for the suggestion though. I really do appreciate it.  Scott P. (talk) 02:52, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

OK nevermind NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:59, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We've got information about his life prior to the protests, his involvement in the 2014 standoff, and his interviews during the ~6 week 2016 standoff prior to his death. None of that is cleanly grouped with his shooting, and a stand-alone article on the shooting is unnecessary because we can cover it here. VQuakr (talk) 04:12, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong, strong, strong, strong oppose – Finicum was notable before his death as one of the leaders, and probably the second-most covered militant occupier. Much of the article is dedicated to subject matters other than his death. MB298 (talk) 05:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2016
This is a very very sad and extremely inaccurate story of a very great man and a very great family. I understand that there is a massive agenda by out highest levels of government and media to cover up this entire situation and i know exactly why more than most people. Almost everybody in america has been fooled from what has been heard and reported from the major media that has covered it and it is a crying shame. I have followed all this every day since Lavoy was shot and ive watched and listened to hundreds of hours of radio interviews and videos because you must go through 10 bogus ones to find one honest and accurate one. Anywho this article has information about the fbi's shots and the roadblock that are flat out false and intentional lies and that information can be easally accessed by a 5 minute search on google. I dont expect you to cover the entire story or even portray it as it really was but get those lies off here please. We trust you as a great source of information and this has completely and totally ruined that for me and you will totallly loose all my trust along with everyone else who i can possibly tell if you dont correct this information. This man was my personal hero and if you care to spend the time and find out who they really were and what they stand for and why i promise you you will be heartbroken and also motivated to do good as well. He was a great man and this is a wonderful family please please dont put them down. Especially with flat out false information and lies. That roadblock was an illegal trap and the man that "peacefully exited the vehicle and surrendered" did so because of the first shot that was fired by the fbi. There is a reason they dont show or tell us that in the videos. Then the second shot fired from an fbi sniper was the instant lavoy stepped out of the truck before he even had a chance to put his hands up. There is a reason there was no audio in the first videos. The Oregon State Police were tricked and bullied by the FBI to do the dirty work and to take the wrap for all of this. I dont blame them because they were bullied and taken advantage of and tricked. Please please either correct this or just take it down. Dont put them or there families down if your not gonna take the time and to the real reasearch and understand there true stories and why they are the way they are. Zietz137 (talk) 19:46, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You haven't specified what changes you would like to have done. If you have reliable sources that indicate the situation is different than that described in the article, let's hear it (and the sources). --Hammersoft (talk) 20:45, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * An inordinate number of the article's citations are authored by "Zietz, Les", which name incidentally matches that of the passionate contributor Zietz137 of the talk entry to which this list is appended. Simply: be alert.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.183.193.44 (talk) 00:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That seems to be "Zaitz, Les", instead of "Zeitz, Les". MB298 (talk) 04:03, 9 April 2016 (UTC)