Talk:La Bolduc

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What was "in their regional dialect" supposed to mean? Quebecois is french.

There seems to be alot of Quebec Nationlist overtones in this article. The cultural rupture between French Canadiens did not happen until the quiet revolution. Québecois was not as identified until after that point.
 * Not sure what you're getting at here - but Gaspe has a very different dialect from much of the rest of Quebec. The rest of it is hard to address without more details on what you find objectionable. Wily D  20:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination on hold
Please leave a note on my talk page when you're done with this stuff. Cheers, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide  23:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Accessdate added. Changed Changed - the refs serve for the whole paragraph, I don't see a reason they need to be associated with one paragraph or another. All solo instances of "Mary" changed to "Bolduc" or "Mary Bolduc" (Bolduc may be ambiguous in contexts with the husband) This comes from ref [1] which I've moved to the end of the paragraph - whole paragraph was sourced from there. I don't see why not - that ref serves as the basis for the whole paragraph All refs now have accessdates It's on wiktionary, and now so linked
 * Ref 1 needs an accessdate. I also don't think you need to use it in the lead, as it's used many more times throughout the article
 * "Born in Newport, Quebec in the Gaspé, she was the daughter..." - Change "she" to "Bolduc", as this is the start of the section
 * In the first paragraph of the "Childhood" section, can the ref go at the end of the para instead of the end of the first sentence? Same with the second paragraph
 * "but Mary attended school for a time, becoming literate in French." - Mary --> Bolduc
 * "so Mary learned jigs and folk songs from memory or by ear" - Mary --> Bolduc
 * That happens a lot throughout the article - I won't point out every occurance...
 * "She was paid $15 per month, in addition to room and board. A few years later she took a job at a textile mill, which paid $15 weekly for 60 hours of work per week." - Ref/Source?
 * First paragraph of the "Musical career" section - can the ref go to the end of the para?
 * Ref 2 needs better date formatting and an accessdate (as do all the other refs)
 * "Bolduc earned a total of $450 from the sales and became a household name in Quebec." - I'm not sure if household name is worthy of an article, but there might be a wiktionary entry on it - check.
 * "Bolduc's first headlining performance came in November of 1930, in Lachute, Quebec at a costume ball." - Is the exact date known?
 * This appears in two references, both just use the month. But nobody specifies that it's unknown either.  I can't be sure. Brian Scarboro  14:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The whole thing was sourced from there (or at least, the source has all that info) so I moved it. "The sufferings of my accident", yeah (insofar as je parle seulment un petit peu de Francais). So there shouldn't, and now there ain't. The discography now cuts the WP:MUSTARD Removed Fixed Removed - extra refs are removed (truth be told, I did want to see what happened after "Z" in the reflist
 * "Bolduc was seriously injured in June of 1937..." - Can the ref in this paragraph be moved to its end? And are there any other sources for it...?
 * "One of those songs, Les Souffrances de mon accident was on her accident" - Can you translate this (I think it would translate to "Sufferings of my accident" or similar, but someone better at French than me can confirm)
 * "Her songs tended to be happy and comical with lively rhythms .[1]" - There shouldn't be a space before the full stop (.)
 * The titles of Bolduc's songs should be in "quotation marks", not in italics (per Music Standards)
 * "One technique often employed by Bolduc is the enumerative song, which lists something such as foods or tasks" - This isn't as descriptive as it maybe could be - can you give an example (some lyrics etc.)?
 * "Madame Bolduc's lyrics are predominantly French" - the "madame" isn't necessary - remove it
 * Interesting that the article is titled "La Bolduc" but it's never explained if she went by that name, why she did, how she got it, etc....?
 * "Recordings of about 100 of her songs survive[1]" - The ref should go on top of some punctuation - eg at the end of the sentence
 * You don't really need two sections both titled "Recordings" - just keep the L2 and make a list of recordings inside it (drop the L3 heading)
 * Ref 8 is way overused - you can just use it once at the top of the recordings list
 * Speaking of which, the list of recordings has stacks of line breaks that are not needed and should be removed

Reviewed version:

Good luck, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide  23:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Passed. &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide  08:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "…was a French Canadian singer and musician."

[edit] Childhood


 * "Bolduc and her eleven siblings spoke English at home, but also spoke French fluently."

Begging your pardon, but these two statements are at odds with each other. If her family was English-speaking, then she was not a French Canadian. I think "Canadian" will do. Kelisi (talk) 09:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Name
She performed under the name Bolduc, which was her legal name, so it seems more appropriate to me to start by giving her last name as Bolduc with an addition to show her last name at birth. If there is a good reason for using Travers (and I may have missed some policy change from not editing much for the last five years), then it would be better to add a note early on that Bolduc was her name after marriage and the name she was known by. John FitzGerald (talk)


 * The last name change makes sense to me. For what it's worth, listing her as Travers in the lede dates back to the article's creation in 2003. Wily D 16:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I have also taken out an assertion I think I added about "Si Vous Avez une Fille" being her best-known recording today. I was never able to verify that. John FitzGerald (talk)

So many inappropriate red links
Whatever WP:REDLINK exactly says, the article is full of non helpful and distractive red links and the Cleanup Red Link tag is the closest tag to address this. Removing maintenance tags without fixing the issue constitutes vandalism. I say it again, a maintenance tag up top is a fair compromise and not doing any harm. That tag had been there since February, why does suddenly WilyD want it off. Slight Smile  14:24, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * What redlink do you believe is inapprorpriate, and why? The maintenance tag is only appropriate if there are any unsuitable redlinks in the article, which does not seem to be the case.  Since the maintenance tag appears to be totally inappropriate, it should be removed.  Wily D  08:55, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Having stumbled upon this discussion, I'm inclined to agree with Slightsmile (mostly). On one hand, red links are supposed to encourage new articles, but on the other, there should be a limit where we expect and want to encourage writing new articles, thus some kind of editorial decision is called for. In this case, most red links are to songs written by Bolduc in 1920 s or of folk origin, unlikely to satisfy WP:N. Our song/album articles for most of less renowned performers are generally stubby and of low quality, and I doubt we expect those articles any time soon, so I'd vote for red link removal. Should anyone want to write these articles, he can always come back and re-link them. On the other hand, about half of red links (Mary Travers Park, Jean Grimaldi, Théâtre Arlequin de Québec) does look promising, so they should stay in. Of course, I'm not familiar with the topic, someone else should make that decision. In the meantime, edit-warring with cleanup tags is quite unhelpful. Make an agreement about which redlinks should stay, and stick to it, don't deface the reasonable article with ugly tags. No such user (talk) 10:59, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * NSU thanks for the voice of reason. I agree the tag isn't the prettiest but I still say is unreasonable to remove before the issue is fixed. I usually fix issues myself but once in a blue moon for various reasons I tag it. A user tried to remove some red links a few days ago and WilyD reverted. When I reverted WilyD on that, he started insisting on removing the maintenance tag. Why? Also WilyD, no I don't have to back words with action and create an article for each of those reds. And I'm not going to argue about each of the many red links. I think we're hitting a wall here and time for dispute resolution starting with 3O. Slight  Smile  15:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate revert
I spent a considerable amount of time doing cleanup on this article related to redlinks and references. I've restored my edits since someone chose to remove my work, it looks like it was done manually to avoid revert guidelines regarding reverting good-faith actions of other editors. H:REV, WP:ROWN

Also added reference tag as the overwhelming majority of the articles citations rely on. David Condrey (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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