Talk:La Salette, Isère

Ewa°Cit.: "Recent release of the secrets" --- What is "recent" in encyclopedia...? You should write the year of edition of Corteville's and Lauretnin's book... I think.

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I am the author of the external link from which this page was taken. The information can be found on http://www.portcult.com/FAT.05.INFLUENCES.htm which has no copyright message. Repeat: my material, of which I drew for my La Salette article, is not copyrighted by me. Username: portcult

I am Ray Vogensen, the author of the La Salette page and the "apparently copyrighted" text is my own from my own site at http://www.portcult.com/FAT.05.INFLUENCES.htm. I have several articles in your encyclopedia, all from my own sites: Chaves, Vila Real, Fátima, the Douro River, the Tâmega River and Verín. My own site on Portugal is http://www.portcult.com/. If you have any questions contact me at rcvogensen@hotmail.com. My material is not copyright. I do it for fun. (moved from VfD).

Ordinarily this would result in a restoration of text, but the webpage in question states that the text was taken from the New Advent Encyclopedia and links to a version with a copyright of 2003. So the copyright issues still have to be worked out on Votes for Deletion.


 * The version I'm reading only says "(For information on La Salette go to New Advent Encyclopedia or to Theotokos org"... :-/ Martin 10:35, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

--- I rewrote the page and there is nothing copyright in it now. Basically, what I did was to rewrite everything on Our Lady of La Salette then I moved the rewritten page to La Salette, which is a much better heading. Portcult 11:54, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Thanks portcult :) Martin

Please clarify this point

 * Our Lady of La Salette refers to an apparition of the Virgin Mary that allegedly appeared to two shepherd children - Maximin Giraud and Melanie Calvat - near La Salette in 1846.

Does this mean that "Our Lady of La Salette" is some person who somewhere in her writings referred to that alleged incident? If so, it should say who she was, perhaps by linking to some separate article about her. If not, the sentence should be rephrased. At this point I suspect that whoever wrote this meant that "Our Lady of La Salette" was one of the two children, or perhaps was the apparition. If so, it should definitely be rephrased, to say so explicitly, so that I won't have to just suspect that that's what was meant. This habit of writing "A dog refers to an animal that barks" instead of "A dog is an animal that barks" is an all-too-frequent solecism on Wikipedia. Michael Hardy 01:14, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"Our Lady of La Salette" is the name of the apparition, and therefore an alternate name for the Blessed Virgin Mary - who has no known writings. It's not the name of either child (who were Mélanie Calvat, dit Mathieu, and Maximin Giraud). - Nunh-huh 01:35, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- I actually rephrased the article before you answered. Michael Hardy 23:49, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

a masonic facrication?
Alan Butler, in his book "The Virgin and the Pentacle" (2005) presents the case that apparation was stage-managed by Freemasons, in order to discredit the Catholic church. The date of the apparition, 19th September, is said to relate to the most important date in the Eleusis mysteries in classical times, when a procession took ritual artefacts from Athens to Eleusis. On that day in 1854 there was also a rare conjugation of planets while Venus was "The morning star". Stretching our credibility somewhat more, he suggests that French towns beginning with "Sal" or "Al" date back to the time when Celts traded in salt, and that the towns are an attempt to plot the circumference of the earth. One of the "sal" "Ley lines" is said to be a kind of meridian. Later in the book he claims that Cistercian monasteries were hotbeds of Eleusinian/Marian sympathisers, and that this evolved into Freemasonry. An important problem with this theory, is that the Eleusinian mysteries were practiced by women, while Freemasonry is practiced by men.

La Salette reconsidered
Recent release of the original secrets have changed things. Please read this blog:

http://veritas-catholic.blogspot.com/2006/08/la-sallette-secrets.html

It contains relevant links.

Truth_seeker

Still Needs Rewriting - Neutrality is Questioned
Books, blogs and websites are not neutral sources, they can be as biased as a piece of political literature. An encyclopedia article should contain facts and give equal copy to all sides when there are controversies.

"Freemasons" was a general term used by the Church for its enemies during the 1800s and early 1900s. Church leaders and some Catholic writers dismissed all opposition groups as "freemasons", as all anti-fascist groups during the 20th century were easily dismissed by fascist governments as "communists". It's a propaganda technique.

Highdesert 17:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)