Talk:Lachlan Macquarie

DoB
I was under the impression that nobody was certain of his date of birth. Does anybody have a source to confirm January 31? - 3mta3 08:18, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Now sourced. SauliH 06:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

When appointed governor?
Bligh was overthrown in January 1808; Macquarie arrived in Sydney in December 1809. This article currently says in paragraph two that he was appointed in 1808, while Rum Rebellion says 1809, but both articles also say he was governor from 1810.

There was ample time for the news of the coup to come back to Britain in 1808, so he could have been appointed then, and could indeed have set out and arrived still in 1808. Did they delay for over a year? After arriving in 1809, did he not take up office till some kind of inauguration in 1810? I can understand his being appointed in Britain in late 1809, setting out, and arriving in early 1810, but the current collection of dates appears inconsistent. --Anon.


 * Dillon and Butler, Macquarie, From Colony to Country, ISBN 978-1-86471-030-4 page 68 gives the following:
 * Macquarie coveted the job but did not expect to gain it. However, the post was offered to him verbally by the Secretary of State for the Colonies, Lord Castlereagh, on 27 April 1809. Whiteguru (talk) 07:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

General Nightingall nominated Governor, but had to resign because of poor health. Macquarie had hopes for his own appointment to the position, as he was already bound for the colony as commanding officer of a battalion. He was appointed Lieutenant Governor in or by April 1809, then told of his appointment as Governor by Lord Castlereagh on 27th April. See https://www.mq.edu.au/macquarie-archive/lema/1809/22april1809.html  He departed England in May 1809, arriving in Port Jackson in December 1809 after a 7 month voyage. 106.71.35.70 (talk) 12:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Mull namings
These "extremely large number of place names" (of which only 3 are listed) seem to be places named by Macquarie after places in Mull. How do these fit into a list of places named "in his honour"? Surely they are in honour of Mull, not of Macquarie. Is Ayers Rock named in honour of Sir Henry Ayers, or of the person who named it, William Gosse? Ayers, of course. JackofOz 14:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I would like to see some evidence that Glenorchy, for example, was named by Macquarie in honour of Glenorchy in Mull, rather than just by one of the many Scots who settled in Tasmania. I would also like to see evidence that Campbelltown NSW was named in honour of Elizabeth Macquarie nee Campbell, rather than after Campbelltown in Argyllshire. And ditto for all the Campbell names said to be references to her. Adam 10:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Popularisation of the name "Lachlan"
Is it fair to say that Macquarie popularised the name Lachlan? It's a fairly common boy's name here in Australia but I'm not sure how popular it is in Scotland. If this is the case, maybe it could be added to the article. Peter1968 08:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

All Scots names are popular in Australia, where a large part of the upper middle class is of Scots descent (particularly in Victoria). Lachlan, Bruce, Ian, Iain, Douglas, Duncan, Gordon, Keith, Stewart, Angus, Malcolm, Graham, Donald, Hamish, Struan, Fergus - all are far more common than they are in, say, the US, or England, or possibly even in Scotland these days. I don't think Lachlan Macquarie (who after all left Australia before Victoria was even settled) had anything to do with it. Adam 09:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

It was especially popular in the Western Isles with particular clans. That was before the great migration, not so much with the new incomers. There it is pronounced like it is written, not Loklin. Macquarie was Governor of NSW when it included Victoria, and it was settled before 1851. Theirishslave (talk) 07:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Jane Jarvis
Jane Jarvis was 3 when she died? Someone needs to fix that. 121.44.218.238 (talk) 04:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think they are the years between which they were married. They married in 1793 but she died of tuberculosis in 1796. Recurring dreams (talk) 04:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Jane Jarvis's father Thomas, former Chief Justice of Antigua, died in 1785, long before the abolition of slavery. A number of his heirs and beneficiaries were compensated. Jane Jarvis Macquarie, too, was long dead before then. See Legacies of British Slave Ownership (database) https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/449 106.71.35.70 (talk) 11:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Pronunciation
How do you pronounce "Macquarie"? Maikel (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. With appropriate citations and references, this article would easily qualify as B class if not higher. --dashiellx (talk) 10:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Duplicated information?
This section "Explorers soon noticed that the Governor liked things named after him: so Australia has the Macquarie River and Mount Macquarie, Lake Macquarie and Port Macquarie, Macquarie Harbour and Macquarie Island. Elizabeth Bay, Elizabeth Street and Mrs Macquarie's Chair (a carved chair on the eponymous point in Sydney Harbour) are named for his wife." is duplicated further down the article, and seems to be be a bit subjective ("Explorers soon noticed..."?). Any objections to removing that sentence? MurfleMan (talk) 23:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Portrayal in ficton
Governor and Mrs. Macquarie are sympathetically portrayed in the Nutmeg of Consolation by Patrick O'Brian. V. Joe (talk) 04:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Whose culvert?
I suggest that in the absence of any specific reference to the contrary, Macquarie Culvert was more likely named only after Elizabeth Macquarie, not Lachlan. None of the Macquarie Culvert references explicitly say who it was named after, only that it part of Mrs Macquarie's Road. Two of the refs says she designed the bridge (not him). The one ref not on-line ("Our Convict Heritage") says: Mitch Ames (talk) 12:23, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, the stone engraving above her chair says the road (for which the culvert was built) was "So named ... an account of her having Originally Planned it" (emphasis added). Mitch Ames (talk) 13:31, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I've removed the culvert from the list. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:45, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Orders to shoot?
This quote is all over the net:
 * In 1816 Governor Lachlan Macquarie made orders to soldiers:
 * All Aborigines from Sydney onwards are to be made prisoners of war and if they resist they are to be shot and their bodies hung from trees in the most conspicuous places near where they fall, so as to strike terror into the hearts of the surviving natives.
 * All Aborigines from Sydney onwards are to be made prisoners of war and if they resist they are to be shot and their bodies hung from trees in the most conspicuous places near where they fall, so as to strike terror into the hearts of the surviving natives.

It seems vary much at odds with the tone of the article, and there's nothing particular noted for 1816. So, anyone able to shed some light? Snori (talk) 04:09, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Answering my question... the list of events |here gives an idea. Snori (talk) 04:17, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

It is a truncated and edited version of the actual quote, which is "I have this Day ordered three Separate Military Detachments to march into the Interior and remote parts of the Colony, for the purpose of Punishing the Hostile Natives, by clearing the Country of them entirely, and driving them across the mountains; as well as if possible to apprehend the Natives who have committed the late murders and outrages, with the view of their being made dreadful and severe examples of, if taken alive. — I have directed as many Natives as possible to be made Prisoners, with the view of keeping them as Hostages until the real guilty ones have surrendered themselves, or have been given up by their Tribes to summary Justice. — In the event of the Natives making the smallest show of resistance – or refusing to surrender when called upon so to do – the officers Commanding the Military Parties have been authorized to fire on them to compel them to surrender; hanging up on Trees the Bodies of such Natives as may be killed on such occasions, in order to strike the greater terror into the Survivors." The Governor's Diary & Memorandum Book Commencing on and from Wednesday the 10th. Day of April 1816. — At Sydney, in N. S. Wales. Wednesday 10. April 1816, http://www.mq.edu.au/macquarie-archive/lema/1816/1816april.html#apr10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.203.94.156 (talk) 03:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Bible Society of Australia
there should be some info on him starting Bible Society of Australia 1.129.97.123 (talk) 00:36, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It can be if you have citations to support it. Add them here if you don't want to directly edit the article. Kerry (talk) 02:17, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Changes by IP
It's good to add sources, but what you've added is Macquarie's diary and another source that puts 'hostile natives' in quotes, which likely means Macquarie himself called them that. 'Murdering' and 'good relations' are also problematic, as it's editorializing and possibly also in Macquarie's words. Finally, we need to add the information about travelling long distances and giving breakfast and tobacco with consensus into the section rather than the lead, then gain consensus that it's important enough for the lead. Message left at IP's talk. —valereee (talk) 13:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)