Talk:Lacrosse/Archive 4

Ryan Wyss and 1104 - Highly Suspect
The information in this article is highly suspect. Where did the date 1104 and the name Ryan Wyss come from?

David Marshall B.Ed. (talk) 07:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Vandalism. I reverted it. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 12:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Resolved.

o for real —Preceding unsigned comment added by XRJonesx (talk • contribs) 19:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Modern History of Lacrosse
Hi - I just noticed the article history of lacrosse doesn't have any material beyond the 1930s. Anyone who can work on that would be appreciated. MakeBelieveMonster (talk) 06:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The Explanation of the Game is Hopeless
The explanation of the rules/game should start with a basic description of how the game is played, not the exact measurements of sticks. E.g. tennis is a game played by two or four players hitting a hollow ball across a net using rackets. Etc. The exact specifications of equipment and the field can go in a different section.

Podperson (talk) 20:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC) Tonio Loewald (podperson)

File:Hopkins lax.jpg as top picture
It has been used in the past (right, I think so) and I think it's better than the current picture (File:Finnish lax.jpg). It is clearer and you can see what's going on better because it is more zoomed in. -- Y ar na lg o talk to me 21:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Finnish picture isn't the best lead image. The Field lacrosse article is currently using the Kyle Harrison & Tony McDevitt image. I'd like to avoid using the same image at the top of the two articles.  I have been working from the bottom up on the lacrosse articles, so I have favored the sub-articles to the parent article. Problem with our current images is that at least two of them illustrate illegal conduct: one a check from behind & one a dive shot.  By the way, welcome back.  -Mitico (talk, contribs) 23:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed it to File:D1 Lacrosse.jpg. It's definitely better and it isn't being used yet. Make sure and check Commons when you are looking for a picture. (and thanks) -- Y ar na lg o talk to me 10:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|20px]] Resolved.

Intercrosse
A couple months back, if memory serves me right, an IP added Intercrosse/Sofcrosse to the lead of this article. I confirmed it and added a section under type of play. According this parent's guide (8/16) there are four versions of lacrosse. I am second guessing the inclusion of intercrosse in the lacrosse article. Points to consider: Anybody have thoughts regarding intercrosse in this article? I am proposing that intercrosse and derivations such as polocrosse be addressed only in a "See also" section with no discussion of the variations. -Mitico (talk, contribs) 13:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) A slight US bias, All/most publications (with the above exception) refer to just three: field, box, & womens.
 * 2) The FIL only sponsors the three main types, while intercrosse has its own international organizing body.
 * ✅ Done —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitico (talk • contribs) 04:11, March 10, 2009

Anonymous comment
the gollie is suposed to have the stick down —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.72.107 (talk) 06:20, May 7, 2009 Not true, in box lacrosse, the goalie holds the stick downwards. Box lacrosse is not representative of general lacrosse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.189.26 (talk) 21:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

History of
please link to page History of Lacrosse — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vogel2014 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

youth lacrosse
What about more information on youth lacrosse???

For example...

Number largest dick in the world Organization - recreational vs. club

99.139.125.204 (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)marcyll


 * Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  Powers T 14:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I re-submit for the inclusion of a section devoted to youth lacrosse. Many children start playing lacrosse at the age of five or six years old and develop into college and professional players over the course of the next ten to fifteen years. The skills and abilities that are developed during this period are crucial to their success in the long term. A discussion of youth lacrosse also provides a valuable link to the teams and communities that help nurture and develop these children into productive members of society.

This page/section is closed or limited to normal editing due to its status as a "Project" as far as I can tell, so the response above is not consistent with the current editing abilities of "anyone" and "almost any article". . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timstaines (talk • contribs) 03:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with 'its status as a "Project"'. This page was semi-protected because of lots of vandalism. Semi-protected means that anonymous users and new users cannot edit the page. If you still want to make changes, you can either edit some other pages first (you need at least ten edits and the account needs to be four days old), or wait until the 20th of August when the protection ends. --MrBoo (talk, contribs) 03:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies; I hadn't realized the article was semi-protected when I posted the above. Powers T 13:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Globalize tag
For an article about a sport that originated in and is still mostly played in North America, I think this article is well globalized. Are there any specific complaints that prompted this tag? Powers T 14:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * i agree. the tag is unjustified. this has always been a north american centred sport. only the us and canada have ever won the world championship.no one else has even been competitive. the england nationals went winless on their recent tour. much of what is billed as european lacrosse is actually american and canadian ex-pats. the game is only played professionally here. call it chauvinism if you like, but the function of wikipedia is not to promote the growth of the game, but to describe the reality of the world. i am for the removal of this tag.Toyokuni3 (talk) 17:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Globalise seems extreme. However, Lacrosse as a wonan's sport is played more thoroughout the world.  UK users, for instance, would expect to see an article about the woman's sport which is widely played in the UK school system and would be surprised to see an article about a men's sport played in North America.  Perhaps the opening paragraph could start with mentioning both variants and then linking out to Woman's lacrosse.  I am not an expert enough to know the history so perhaps this is inappropriate. Parttimebarman (talk) 10:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Women's lacrosse is mentioned in the lead, but I don't really see them as being separate sports or anything like that. Girls play lacrosse in North America, too.  I'm not sure there's much to say beyond simply stating the fact that it's there.  Powers T 12:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Kenya?
Before I nuked the paragraph about Kenya, I thought I'd flag it. I'm unaware of any such program in Kenya, and Google seems to be unaware, as well. The FIL only lists four African member nations: Ethiopia, Namibia, South Africa, and Uganda. As for the "Top 25" ranking, there were only 21 nations challenging for the World Championship in 2006, and 30 in 2010, and Kenya doesn't make either list. I'm happy to be convinced, but the Kenya paragraph seems made-up. 64.4.106.190 (talk) 03:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks for spotting that. -- Yarnalgo  talk to me 03:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

FALSE INFORMATION!
There have been people editing the information on this page putting inappropriate information in the summary. I fixed the information but I am suggesting to the administrator that you semi-lock this page. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wvulax0128 (talk • contribs) 04:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

citation
I was doing some general research and came across a citation for the citation needed in the "History of Lacrosse" section. Here is the citation: Conover, Adele. “Little Brother of War” Smithsonian Magazine. December 1997. It was located in this PDF file: http://www.historythrougharts.org/main/program/americanindian/LegacyofLacrosse.pdf

I am sorry, but I don't have time to verify the accuracy of the citation, nor do I know how to change wikipedia's citation. I just thought I would share the information.

173.24.15.237 (talk) 23:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC) Maggie Smith, 11/29/2010

Contradiction
"In many native American societies or tribes, the game was played to resolve conflicts, heal the sick, develop strong, virile men and prepare for war. Legend tells of games with more than 100 players from different tribes taking turns to play.[citation needed] It could be played on a field many miles in length and width (present day lacrosse is played on a field 60 yards wide and 110 yards long); sometimes the game could last for days. Early lacrosse balls were large and hairy made of deerskin, clay, stone, and sometimes wood.

Lacrosse, a relatively popular team sport in the Americas, may have developed as early as the 5th century,[1][2] but since then has undergone many modifications. In the traditional Native Canadian version, each team consisted of about 100 to 1,000 men on a field that stretched from about 500 yards to a couple of miles long.[3] These lacrosse games lasted from sunup to sundown for two to three days straight. These games were played as part of ceremonial ritual to give thanks to the Creator. The modern Ojibway verb 'to play Lacrosse' is baaga'adowe (Baggataway [sic]).[4]"

The organization of these paragraphs is confusing, to say the least. The first paragraph seems to try to sum up the article, but it also includes information that isn't in the rest of the article. It tends to repeat itself, too. For example, it is mentioned that up to 100 players may have taken part in a game, while in the 2nd paragraph it is stated that each team could be from 100 to 1000 strong. Should the first paragraph just be deleted, or can it be fit in with the rest of the article? 118.96.181.38 (talk) 00:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Upon a re-read, as well as a quick search on lacrosse history, it appears that the first paragraph doesn't add to the article, and essentially states the same information as the then third, now second paragraph, but without citation.  I removed the first paragraph, as the entry now flows better while retaining all relevant information.  --Fresh (talk) 17:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 66.212.254.114, 9 June 2011
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 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Logan Talk Contributions 03:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Films?
Are there any good films? I saw teenwolf 2011 and I absolutely would love to see a movie with this sport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.39.107.17 (talk) 00:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleaning up the College Lacrosse Section
A couple of issues I'd like to fix up in the College Lacrosse section. The first is a typo I believe, "The NCAA men's Lacrosse Division I in 1971 when Cornell..." Should this not say "The first NCAA Men's Lacrosse Division 1 Championship was won by Cornell in 1971" or "The NCAA established the Division 1 Men's Lacrosse (league?) in 1971 when..." or something to that effect?

Also, I don't think the list of "top" D3 programs is entirely accurate or really even appropriate in its current form. First, what is Southwestern University? Secondly, it would be helpful to relate to the readers what criteria is being used to say those are the top schools and what time period is being looked at. I propose either choosing one criteria, say wins since 2000, or playoff appearances perhaps, and forming a list from there if there is going to be one at all. At the moment we aren't recognizing a few of the other top programs like Roanoke and Middlebury (Just to name 2). And once again, who is southwestern university? Benfchea (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

87 and 3/4 D I NCAA sanctioned teams? How can a school have 3/4 of a team? 05:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wschart (talk • contribs)

Attendance
How does lacrosse claim to have the highest NCAA championship attendance? Please give me stats. I find this dubious at best and it sounds like clever wordsmithing by a booster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_attendance_figures Msjayhawk (talk) 19:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Final Four Houston National Semifinals 75,421 National Final 70,376 Final Four Total 145,797

Total Tournament Attendance 690,679 Average per Session 19,186

Msjayhawk (talk) 19:53, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 May 2012
i dont really have the authority to fix it myself but i just wanted to mention that the lacrosse page is missing two glaring details;

1) the literal native american interpretation of the word lacrosse is "little brother of war" 2) that being said lacrosse was more often used as a substitute for war than as an offering to the creator

03stone03 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * This information is contained in the History of lacrosse article. Regarding the first point, there are many different Native American languages. In the Mohawk language, the word "Tewaarathon" means "little brother of war". The word "lacrosse" itself is not a Native American word. MrBoo (talk, contribs) 14:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   02:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I removed this reference and am "storing" it here for safekeeping. The reference is generating an error and I haven't been able to figure out what the entire ref statement should be.Jihadcola (talk) 19:47, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 January 2013
"... mainly played in the United States and Canada" is unnecessary, inaccurate, and misleading. It should be removed.

Lacrosseman78 (talk) 15:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Y Done Removed GimliDotNet ( Speak to me,  Stuff I've done )  15:48, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Box lacrosse
Hello, I notice that there are two 'Box lacrosse' sections. Can these be consolidated into one? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Skwxwu7mesh (Squamish) lacrosse material
I found some on the Squamish Nation]'s "culture" page; no time to add what it has here, but if anyone is so inclined...Skookum1 (talk) 07:30, 21 May 2014 (UTC)