Talk:Ladislas Starevich

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In russian-language literature, I have only come across the name Khanzhonkov (transliteration here following Gosstandart Rossii ST SEV 1362 of 1978, not ISO R9 of 1995). Where the name Khazhonkov could come from is unclear to me, but it might be a transliteration error.

timo 15:38, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have double-checked at the Russian State Archive for Literature today, and in fact, the name is Khanzhonkov.

timo 12:45, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Polish?
I don't see how one can say that he was Polish. His parents were, true, but he lived in either Russia or France his whole life and as far as I can tell he never even visited Poland. So should he really be in the Polish categories? Esn 16:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * He is Polish if you apply a commonly used set of standards of nationality (which aren't often used in the united states) whereby the nationality of one's parents is key. It's the same sort of thing which makes some people called "half-Jewish" even if they're not Jewish or "Japanese-American" if they aren't actually from Japan. It's kinda complicated and I don't claim to get it at all, so there you are. (Plus, his name is Polish, not Russian.) --Lenoxus
 * They're not often used in Canada either... I think the trouble here is that for some countries there are no separate words for "Polish" as in "from the country Poland" or "Polish" as in "of Polish ancestry". For example, one can say that one is "Kazakh" (which means that you are of Kazakh ancestry) or one can say that one is "Kazakhstani" (which means that you are from Kazakhstan).  That there are no such distinctions in many European countries causes a lot of unnecessary confusion and (I believe) can be the source of much ethnic tension (since it becomes impossible to, for example, be "French" if you are not of French ancestry - there is no word for such a thing).  Anyway, I guess I'll leave this alone for now... but I really do think that this is a shortcoming in language that must be fixed. :p Esn 11:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Why he haven't visited Poland? Before 1918 whole territory of Poland was annexed by enemies. Lands like Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, by many (especialy Poles) were considered like polish "lost territories" (Ziemie Zabrane). So every Pole who lived in vast terrytory of former Poland (or Polish-Lituanian Commonwealth before 1791) was considered as living in Poland in the same mesure like he would be livnig in Warsaw, Cracow, Wilno(Villnius), or Kijów (Kiev). Additionaly a Lithuania was in this time dominated by Poles (also by polish culture and language), they were in many regions dominating population. 100% of nobility of Lithuania was Polish in culture and language (but they could have lLithuanian ancestry) Majan (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's just stick to the rules. According to WP:MOSBIO, the opening paragraph should have:

subject's notability. --Garik 11 (talk) 07:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Name(s) and title(s), if any (see, for instance, also Naming conventions (royalty and nobility));
 * 2) Dates of birth and death, if known (see Manual of Style (dates and numbers));
 * 3) Context (location, nationality, or ethnicity);
 * 4) In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable.
 * 5) Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities and/or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the
 * As far as I know, the general policy of Wikipedia is to follow the sources, and he as described as "Polish animator", "Polish puppeteer" or simply "Polish" by numerous sources. He is also described as "the father of Polish puppet animation" (which is certainly relevant to his notability), for example: International Leipzig Festival for Documentary and Animated films will be honoring the father of Polish animation Władysław Starewicz. Adam Mickiewicz (a Polish national poet) and Fryderyk Chopin (known as a Polish composer) never were Polish citizens too. Citizenship doesn't equal nationality in all cases.
 * Any source confirming that he was a French citizen? According to this book (p. 11), he wrote about himself after the WW2 - "Polish by nationality, never naturalized as French citizen". Hedviberit (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine, his ethnicity was Polish. (Or was it Polish-Jewish?) Whichever the case is, we do mention this sourced information in the article body, but not in the opening sentence. --Garik 11 (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:SOURCES According to the sources, his nationality and ethnicity was Polish, and he was a Polish animator/puppeteer. He made notable contribution to Polish art. If you know sources stating that he was a Polish Jew, please add them. The information that he possessed French and Russian citizenship is unsourced.
 * I think it's fair to delete "Russian" and "French" from the lede (and also "Russian" and "French" categories). For the record, I'm not against him being French and Russian animator (because he contributed also to French and Russian animation), but not at the cost of mentioning that he was also a Polish animator. Please don't reinsert the deleted material until we reach consensus. My proposition was and is: "Polish-Russian-French" stop-motion animator in the lede, Polish categories should also be added.Hedviberit (talk) 01:43, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Please re-read what is quoted above, especially in bold type, from WP:MOSBIO. Context should be in the opening paragraph, you cannot just remove it completely. Poland was never the context in his case. I am not against him being Polish either, if this was his ethnicity, but "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". That is he became notable not for being Polish or Jewish, straight or gay. What do yo mean by "Polish" anyway? You may emphasize his ethnicity or cultural affiliation or whatever falls in the "Polish" category elsewhere in the article, not in the opening sentence. --Garik 11 (talk) 07:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Picture
Some picture needs to be added to the article of Starevich. The best picture I've seen of him is this one - it's simply perfect. I'd like to add it to the article, but does anybody know where I can find a bigger version of it?

There are some other good ones too: 

Most are too small, though, and I'm not sure that the painting is a good idea if a good photograph is available. The one from Russiancinema.ru is a pretty good one, with a bonus being that he looks pretty young in it so there's a fair chance that it would be PD. I can't find the copyright info for it, though. Esn 01:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The one good reason to use the painting would be that the guys in the background are characters from one of Starevich's films (entitled Winter Wonderland, I think), which really helps both add information and make the solid connection with him and his art... plus it's simply a cool picture, and who says we can only have paintings of people born before the invention of photography? --Lenoxus 01:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Incorrectly formatted film titles
I see no reason for the list of films to be in all caps, but I'mnot up to tackling it. The original titles ought to be italicized too, as well as their translations. Jessicapierce 23:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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