Talk:Lady Gaga discography/Archive 5

Album - section for Japan.
Can someone please insert a row for the Japanese Albums Chart. ARTPOP just reached No.2 there - and I'm sure the other albums would have charted if we root around! Thanks, Bruno Russell (talk) 18:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Songs Written and/or Produced by + incorrect song credits
There are a few songs written or produced by Lady Gaga for other artists that were officially released that aren't listed in the article under the "Other appearances" section.

Also two of the songs that are listed in the same section are listed with incorrect credits.

-"Big Girl Now" is credited as "(with New Kids on the Block)". The correct credit is "(New Kids on the Block featuring Lady Gaga)"

-"Full Service" is credited as "(with New Kids on the Block)". The correct credit is "(New Kids on the Block featuring New Edition). Lady Gaga is not a performer on this song, she is only a songwriter.   (References 5 & 6 apply to Both Big Girl Now & Full Service)

As for the missing songs:

2008
- "Quicksand" (Britney Spears) from "Circus" (track 16 from the Europe iTunes deluxe edition) [Songwriter & Background Vocalist]

2009
- "Lola" (Veleria) from "| Freshly Squeezed" (track 2) '''[Songwriter] '''

- "Fever" (Adam Lambert) from "For Your Entertainment" (track 10) & "Glam Nation Live" (track 4) [Songwriter & Background Vocalist]    (Note that for Reference 13 "Stefani Germanotta" is Lady Gaga's birth name)

2010
- "Let Dem Hoes Fight" (Trina featuring Kalenna Harper) from "Amazin'" (track 13) [Songwriter & Producer]

2011
- "Invading My Mind" (Jennifer Lopez) from "Love?" (track 9) [Producer]

- "Hypnotico" (Jennifer Lopez) ''from "Love?" (track 12)'' [Songwriter] (Note that for Reference 23 "Stefani Germanotta" is Lady Gaga's birth name)   (References 25 & 26 apply to Both Invading My Mind & Hypnotico)

Cheek to Cheek
Would like to see "Cheek to Cheek" excluded from her list of "Studio Albums" and put on it's own under a new title of "Collaborative Albums" Agree? Disagree?

I agree with this. It shouldn't be listed with studio album - these should be solo only. 101.115.43.218 (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Cheek to Cheek IS a studio album. It makes no sense to separate it from the rest. Decodet (talk) 00:12, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It should be removed from Studio Albums because although it IS a studio album, it is a collaborative Studio Album. Why would you want to group it with her solo work? Also, what if it does very poorly on the album charts (which it most likely will)? Many people will come to the conclusion that her last studio album was a flop... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.83.48 (talk) 16:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Lead
Why isn't there anything about ARTPOP in the first section?

24.127.232.186 (talk) 01:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Because no-one had got around to adding anything. Remember everyone here is a volunteer. In the future, try to phrase your edit requests in the form "Please change X to Y" or "Please add Z to this section". I have added one sentence to the lead, but the lead section is getting quite bloated. Adabow (talk) 02:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Aura (song)
Reminder: Aura (song) charted and should be included in the other charted songs table. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:47, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It did not chart in the charts listed here though. It charted in some obscure Dance chart. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 06:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * South Korea does not count? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:53, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2013
THE FAME is 7x Platinum in Austria please correct this right away.

24.127.232.186 (talk) 03:00, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ After checking the official certification link, it is indeed 7&times; Platinum. However, next time please provide a link directly to the certification page. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 17:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2013
Add Worldwide sales to ARTPOP? It's sold 1.2 millions copies ww.

Zeitergeist1997 (talk) 02:27, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Technical 13 (talk) 02:44, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Applause chart position in Australia
Applause peaked at no. 4 in Australia. http://www.hot100au.com/singles/applause/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.64.42 (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it did not. It peaked at #11. The link provided above is not from ARIA. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 06:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Heavy Metal Lover
According to the sources used for charts on this page (such as Australia, Austria, France, Ireland, New Zealand & Switzerland), Heavy Metal Lover was released as a single and should be included in the singles chart of this page. White Christmas was also a promotional single according to all of these reliable sources too! Video Phone should be added to the featured singles and 3-Way (Golden Rule) should be added to other songs category by using this reference too. It also lists Do What U Want being released with Christina Aguilera as well as R. Kelly. Please add this information to the page please, Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.148.98 (talk) 02:07, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * These sources are not listed for single validation, they are listed for chart position and that's what a discography is about. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 03:58, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * They are used for chart position, yes, but on each page listed above it states "Discography Singles", so why aren't the suggested changes being done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.148.98 (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hung Medien websites are not reliable for release info purposes. They are reliable for chart information only. If you can find a digital, physical or radio release for "Heavy Metal Lover", please post the info and source below. After all, to be a single the song must have been released via at least one of these three methods. Adabow (talk) 05:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2014
Lady Gaga- discography "applause" Add RIAA-2x Platinum + IPFI- Platinum thanks.

112.203.225.43 (talk) 09:13, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌ Not source provided. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 09:16, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Songs that maybe should be added to the "Other charted songs" "section
The songs "Government Hooker", "Americano", Highway Unicorn (Road to Love), Electric Chapel, "Aura, and "Swine" all charted. Maybe they should be added to the "Other charted songs" section. Fladoodle (talk) 11:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Half support I believe I read in a discussion months ago that I'm sure has been archived by now, that because "Sexxx Dreams" only charted on an obscure Korean dance chart that it's inclusion in the section is irrational. That being said, "Swine" charted on two US Billboard charts, so I would most assuredly support it's inclusion if we could add one of the charts it charted on, namely the US Dance Chart, to the section in question as well; that chart because I'm sure she's had many other songs chart on it, and it is the artist's home country (which I believe is encouraged more per Wikipedia guidelines somewhere). We could also just included it on the US chart and added a note that it charted on a different US chart then listed above beside it's peak position if the people who watch this page the most don't like the idea.--LurganShmith (talk) 07:28, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Expansion of "Other charted songs" section: discussion
I felt with Lady Gaga's excessive hits on Billboard dance charts in the US (her home country, which makes this edit approved per Wikipedia guidelines) it would only make since to add the songs that charted on them to this list. I've formatted two new tables that include the charted songs, but I'm not sure which option is more appropriate. The Billboard Hot Dance/Electronic Songs chart is the most comprehensive dance songs chart as it compiles data from all sources (digital-download purchases, maxi-single purchases, club play, and radio play), but it hasn't existed until January 17, 2013. To make up for the time before it I've included it's pre-existing subsidiary charts Dance/Electronic Digital Songs and Hot Dance Club Songs.

Option 1 is more visually appealing and less crowded but compiles the charts in two separate columns. The first column is for the preferred Hot Dance/Electronic Songs chart with notions to the previously dominate chart Hot Dance Club Songs. The second column is the now sub-chart Dance/Electronic Digital Songs, which for the time after January 17, 2013 and onward in future additions to the table makes it irrelevant and a waste of space.

Option 2 is less visually appealing and crowded with notes explaining how for the period before January 17, 2013 the peak positions are from the subsidiary charts Dance/Electronic Digital Songs and Hot Dance Club Songs, but has one less column taking up space after the date the newest chart starts, as it combines the two columns from the first option into one.

Both tables are listed below for review in addition to their references and notes.

Could anyone who reads this comment back with which option (1 or 2) they prefer or with any help or suggestions what so ever in regards to solving this problem under the Discussion header? Thank You. If no one replies within a week or two I'll just pick one and add it. --LurganShmith (talk)

Discussion
Please reply here:

Japan in album and single tables?
Gaga is a very popular artist in Japan, and while some of her early singles didn't chart there, most of her newer ones have, and some older ones such as "Poker Face" charted later. Japan is also one of the world's biggest album and single markets, so it seems like a no-brainer that it should probably be included in the chart tables here. But I'm curious as to what other editors think, and which market it should replace if we include it. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Support – Thanks for bringing this up Chase, I was just thinking the other day about how Japan has everything available for Gaga, including the certifications and sales also from their Year-end charts. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 06:06, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

The Fame Monster Sales
On Meditraffic The Fame Monster sold 5.900.000 copies in 2009, 5.900.000 copies in 2010 and 1.500.000 copies in 2011 worldwide. Can someone add this information using mediatraffic.de as a source? This site counts week to week all the digital sales.

Bad Romance/The Netherlands
The single peaked at number 10 in the Dutch top 40 (not number 7). It reached number seven in the Mega Top 100, but that's not the official chart in Holland. You can find it on the Dutch Wikipedia-site; http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.209.107.24 (talk • contribs) 8:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Applause Certifications
Applause has reached Platinum status in Canada.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2014
Born This Way WW: 8,000,000

Ladygaganowww (talk) 09:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC) http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/41681/lady-gaga-named-aps-entertainer-of-the-year
 * ❌ That number and its claim has been refuted. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 17:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2014
The Fame Monster WW: 5,9 million copies

Ladygaganowww (talk) 09:55, 3 October 2014 (UTC) http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums-2010.htm
 * ❌ Mediatraffic is not an acceptable source. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 17:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Japan sales
Lady Gaga has big sales on Japan and she is one of the best foreign artist in there. What do you think about include Japan's sales and charts in this article?Raulkul (talk) 17:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm all for it if we can have a direct link showing her Japanese Chart positions and certifications. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 07:19, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't speak japanese, but if you go to Avril Lavigne's discography page on wikipedia, you can see some direct links that go to Oricon. Maybe we could find the Gaga's page on there.Raulkul (talk) 23:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have found Gaga's discography page from Oricon displaying her rankings: Albums from Oricon & Singles from Billboard Japan Hot 100. We can add it then? — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 06:21, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The question is which region it would take place of.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 06:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The smallest market there, which is Ireland. Japan is the second biggest market after US, it should have a place. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 06:28, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, by all means replace Ireland with Japan.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 06:49, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I totally agree to replace it! Let's do it!!Raulkul (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Note: Japan Hot 100 is not the same as Oricon Singles Chart. Japan Hot 100 is compiled by Billboard in the US, and does not include digital sales. Lady Gaga's chart positions on the official Japanese singles chart can be found here (Born This Way #10; Applause #18). It's inappropriate to use the official source (Oricon) for albums, and then use what is basically an unofficial singles chart (composed by a US-based company, with a Western-artist bias) for the singles. It'd be like Billboard composing a UK Hot 100, excluding iTunes sales, then trying to pass it off as The Official Charts Company's own chart. The official charts from a country should be used whenever possible. Homeostasis07 (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:GOODCHARTS says that Billboard is an acceptable source for Japanese charts. –Chase (talk / contribs) 06:37, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * yes, Billboard does compose a Japan Hot 100 chart, and they are listed on WP:GOODCHART, but I've explained the difference between the two in the post above. Oricon are the official chart compilers of Japan. So if Japanese data is to be included here, their data is one one that should be used. Homeostasis07 (talk) 01:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If only two of her songs have charted on Oricon (according to this listing), but many more have charted on Billboard, and our guidelines deem Billboard's Japanese Hot 100 acceptable, it's a no-brainer that the latter is the one we should go with. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:42, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I somehow had missed this discussion and forgot to look after it. Chase is correct, both Billboard Japan Hot 100 and Oricon are officially accepted as the country's charts. We can easily use Japan Hot 100. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 16:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, only two of Lady Gaga's songs have charted on the official Oricon Singles Chart, which is compiled by collecting all available sales data. The Japan Hot 100 is compiled by a US company using only radio airplay figures and CD sales (digital sales - the largest portion of the Japanese market - are intentionally excluded). This is all sourced and explained in the relevant pages I have linked. But despite this, the issue is apparently a "no-brainer" because "only two" of her songs have charted on Oricon, but "many more" have charted on Billboard.
 * But there is a massive issue with Billboard's Japan Hot 100 page that you've all seemed to miss: there's obviously a formatting/inputting error of some kind for the first half of her listed positions. Check out the chart position for "Just Dance" in the link above. The larger, coloured number above the song title should be the peak chart position, but if you highlight the "Last week's position" tab below the album title, there's clearly something wrong. For "Just Dance", it says it peaked at #87, but the "Last week's position" is #46. This same thing happens with the Bad Romance, Telephone and Judas listings. None of the "Peak position" or "Weeks on charts" tabs have any data listed, and this problem only seems to sort itself out after the second "Edge of Glory" listing. They obviously screwed up by only including the positions of the last two charting weeks, and not the entire chart run. And I wouldn't trust those "Poker Face", "Lovegame" or "Hair" positions either. They have no other data listed at all. Even AllMusic must've been weary about including them: they don't include a single chart position from the Japan Hot 100 pre-"Edge of Glory" (ie, the "Japan Hot 100 Singles" line is there for all her singles, but the position is intentionally left blank - or might have been removed later), presumably for the same reasons I've mentioned above. Homeostasis07 (talk) 01:15, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Other charted songs
I just want to report that there is a little mistake : in the Other charted songs section, it's noted that the song Cheek To Cheek charted in Belgium in 2013 although the album was released in 2014. Please correct it :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.14.110.133 (talk) 19:06, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

"Featured Artist" songs
I would like to know what the guidelines are with regards to a single being considered a "feature artist" single versus "lead artist" singles? I see all of her Tony Bennett collaborations are included in her "lead artist" chart, yet wouldn't they be considered "featured artist" singles considering she is not technically the lead artist on any of those songs? Let me know...


 * Her and Tony Bennett both are the lead artists, so you put, the title of the song, then (with Tony Bennett). If it's featured, then it would be (Tony Bennett featuring Lady Gaga). But she is not a featuring artist, she is a co-lead artist. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

G.U.Y. (Remixes)?
Do we not include remix EPs in the discography? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Remix EPs are considered by Billboard as part of the single's digital download. Their sales are added to the song's digital totals, hence it would be incorrect to add them separately. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 02:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. OK, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:01, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Writing/production credits dispute
I notice there's been a bit of an edit war going on today over whether or not to include the writing/production credits section. Upon checking the archives, I was actually wrong here when I said that consensus formed long ago to include this. While there was a discussion where a few editors were for and against it, no one ever really reached a conclusion. For some reason I assumed it had also been longstanding content, but upon checking it was not present when it was promoted to FLC. (And I helped promote the article to FLC... wow, time flies and memory fades.)

For now, let's leave it out of the article until we can reach a decision on what to do. I, for one, think the information could be beneficial to readers somewhere. Maybe a List of songs written and produced by Lady Gaga-type article that would include songwriting and production for herself? She certainly has the material to warrant it, having co-written every song on all of her albums (bar Cheek to Cheek) and produced every song on The Fame Monster, Born This Way, and Artpop. It could possibly be out of place here, though. ,, ... let's talk. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Chase I agree with your point that we need to decide which ones to keep and which ones to eliminate. But one thing if we indeed go for a separate article like List of songs written and produced by Lady Gaga, many of its content would be a duplicate of List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga don;t you guys think? — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 05:26, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Much of it definitely would be a duplicate of List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga. However, I personally don't see the point of including songs on the discography page that she wasn't even a featured vocalist on. Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't be an exact duplicate since she's recorded songs she didn't write or produce (such as everything on the Cheek to Cheek album), she's written a number of songs that we don't know if she's recorded according to BMI, and she's written/produced songs for a variety of other artists. Just something to consider though. –Chase (talk / contribs) 17:58, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Or – another idea – to prevent overlap, we could convert the "list of songs recorded" article into something titled along the lines of List of Lady Gaga songs, with values for checkboxes to indicate if she recorded, wrote, and/or produced the song. –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I liked this last ideia, we could edit the List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga's article to "List of songs recorded and written by Lady Gaga".Raulkul (talk) 19:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

"Boys Boys Boys" remix
It appears the Manhattan Clique remix of "Boys Boys Boys" was released as a single or promo single in late 2009 in Denmark. –Chase (talk / contribs) 20:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Definitely a promo single or something. And that too when Gaga was the most popular, lol. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 03:36, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2015
Hello there,

With regards to certification from New Zealand, perhaps it should be changed from RIANZ to RMNZ to reflect the new naming of 'Recorded Music New Zealand', as is consistent with all other discography paged on this site.

Thank You

114.77.53.199 (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ - by another - but I'm not sure it is right. RIANZ became RMNZ in June 2013, so all sales up to then must have been certified by the RIANZ as the RMNZ did not exist.  This covers all the NZ certifications of her work except "Applause (Lady Gaga song)" Issued in August 2013 - Arjayay (talk) 08:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Born This Way worldwide album sales
Can you guys change Born This Way (album) worldwide sales. According to Billboard, as of October 2011, Born This Way (album) has sold over 8 million copies worldwide. You can read it at the 9th sentence in this article. http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/41681/lady-gaga-named-aps-entertainer-of-the-year

XOfam (talk) 13:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, this has long been decided to be an absurd number and totally inflated. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 13:32, 9 September 2015 (UTC)