Talk:Lakandula/Archive 2

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Based on this unique article, it is strongly possible that Lakan Dula of Tondo and Lacandola of Lubao are totally different persons. First proof: Philippine history would say that Lakan Dula of Tondo is a Muslim, this unique article said that this guy Lacandola is a pagan, big difference. Second proof: Lakan Dula of Tondo is a fighter to the end, he is even referred to as Gat Dula, etc. This Lacandola of Lubao is a Spanish collaborator, according to this article and its something that the legitimate descendants of Lakan Dula of Tondo will not accept without a fight.Third proof: take note of the differences in the spelling: Lakan Dula is with "k" and "u".Lacandola is with "c" and "o". Fourth proof: the Spanish alphabet doesnt have letter "K" but alibata has, so, Lakan Dula is native.On the other hand, Lacandola uses "c" which is hispanic, so, they could be referring on two totally different persons in a very different time. Fifth proof, Lakan Dula is consistent with the pre hispanic history of name system: official title (Lakan) and single name (Dula), and they are separated. We dont have surnames the pre-hispanic era. The Lacandola guy is saying that that Lacandola is already its full name, without any title. All in all, we suggest that let the historical Lakan Dula of Tondo flourished and let that certain Lacandola dude of Lubao exist too.If its a fiction, then, let it be. They are differrent and there is no point of linking them.However,if the artcile would say that Lacandola is only an adopted name because the person is a descendant of Lakan Dula, and they are afraid of hispanic prosecution that is why they hid his identity, thats sound more logical and historical too. But the article is not saying so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.53.100.187 (talk) 01:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

My Lolo is from Lubao. He said that the father of President Dadong can write fictions and short stories. One day, that neighborhood writer noticed that his middle name is Lacandola, a very popular surname among Filipinos, just like Gatdula, so, he dicided to write a fiction about it. When I read the story in the Article Page, it is very similar to the fiction written by that father of President Dadong, probably written while his wife is doing laundry for of her neighbors. Well, my lolo said that the neihgborhood, of course know that its only a fiction or tall tales. Anyway, lets give due respect to our heroes by separating the truths from fictions. And, may I call all my provincemate,lets support Gov. Among Panlilio in his struggle for good government...maybe he should be the next president so that our next president is another cabalen.Dennis Regala.202.86.204.114 (talk) 07:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Sumpa ni Lakan Dula
The curse will not effect on President Arroyo because she is not a descendant of Lakan Dula of Tondo, a Muslim but of Lacandola of Lubao, a pagan, based on a short story written by her grandfather. This explains the fact why she cant come up with the citation as required by Wikipedia community. Linda Cunanan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.150.232 (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

National Archives
The Philippines National Archives has been unable to provide verifiable and authenticated documents to prove the claim that the Macapagals are related in any way to Lakan Dula. Any such relation is invented history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockjock810 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And please don't forget that the Philippine National Archives also have forgers in their midst and other paid hacks by the Palace. Remember the FPJ microfilm fiasco and the senate hearing on the matter? Cdvl (talk) 18:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

THE MACAPAGALS ARE DESCENDANTS OF "LACANDOLA OF LUBAO" (whoever he is) AND NOT OF LAKAN DULA OF TONDO
It seems very conclusive now, based on the article page, whoever wrote it, that the Macapagals are descendant of "Lacandola of Lubao", a pagan and Spanish collaborator and not Lakan of Tondo, a native Muslim and very much a hero against the Spain.

That is the reason why the title of the award being awarded by Malacanan is called "Order of Lakandola" (or was it "Order of Lakandula"?) and not the correct "Order of Lakan Dula". There seem to be a subliminal effort of the Arroyo Government to relate the award the ancestor of the president who is "Lacandola of Lubao" and not to the real hero Lakan Dula of Tondo, that is why they wrongly spelled it to Lakandula (because its nearer to Lacandola) and not the correct Lakan Dula.

Now, whether "Lacandola of Lubao" is a fiction or real, its up to the Macapagal family to prove it to the National Historical Institute.They have the burden of proof. President Arroyo has still too years to prove it. But at least in the Wikipedia community, things are getting clearer now. What is good in this this discussion, and we must credit Wikipedia for this, is that the very Wikipedia article that seem to be comming from the Macapagal family has proven beyond reasonable doubt that Lakan Dula of Tondo is very much different from "Lacandola of Lubao".

And therefore, it can be concluded that President Arroyo is not a descendant of Lakan Dula of Tondo but of "Lacandola of Lubao", whoever he is.Whether "Lacandola of Lubao" is a fiction or real, or a Filipino hero or a Filipino traitor... is another story.

The issue now is: what is the historical basis of the "Order of Lakandula" being awarded by Malacanan to foreign dignitaries? Was it "Lacandola of Lubao" who is not recognized by the National Historical Institute but is allegedly the "ancestor" of President Arroyo?, or the Lakan Dula of Tondo who is historically recognized but not related to President Arroyo? Do we have to retrieve all those wrong awards given to those dignitaries one by one and replace it with the correct one? This thing is getting messy as we go on. Prudencio Laya202.86.204.114 (talk) 06:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)