Talk:Lakas–CMD

Merger
I think this article should be merge with the Lakas-CMD article.. since the said party is the surviving entity and no matter what.. people will still call the new party as Lakas anyway rather than Kampi.. peads (talk) 18:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous new article name

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The result of the move request was: put back to how it was Kotniski (talk) 14:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Lakas Kampi – Christian Muslim Democrats → Lakas–Kampi — So, does anyone call the party "Lakas Kampi – Christian Muslim Democrats" anywhere?

"KAMPI" is also an acronym. In any case Either "Lakas Kampi CMD" or "Lakas–Kampi" (w/ a hyphen) is the more popular name. I'd say this be moved "Lakas-Kampi" since that has more G-hits, and that's what we're using with the different politics templates. (Note that I'm indifferent whether we use "KAMPI" or "Kampi" but I'd say "Kampi" is used more prevalently. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 09:33, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the simplest thing is to move it back to the seemingly unobjectionable title it was at before the recent unilateral move. If anyone's still unhappy, they can propose a new title.--Kotniski (talk) 14:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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By the way, the same question probably arises in relation to Lakas-CMD, which has also been renamed to a longer title.--Kotniski (talk) 14:19, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The longer "Lakas-Christian Muslim Democrats" name is OK, since the party is sometimes referred to its longer name, although I'd prefer "Lakas-CMD". It's just that this party is never referred to as "Lakas Kampi – Christian Muslim Democrats" -- it can be rarely referred to as "Lakas Christian Muslim Democrats - Kabalikat ng Malayang Pilipino" but the "Lakas Kampi CMD" name or "Lakas-Kampi" would've been better. There's also an issue is KAMPI should be in all caps since it's an acronym but the common use is in Title Case. – H T  D  16:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move. Cúchullain t/ c 14:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Lakas Kampi CMD → Lakas–CMD – Lakas Kampi CMD has renamed itself as "Lakas–CMD". This is legally different from the Lakas–CMD (original) that merged with the KAMPI that became Lakas Kampi CMD. The Supreme Court has ruled that the merger of Lakas and KAMPI into Lakas Kampi CMD is valid, thereby, Lakas Kampi CMD is an entirely new organization, different from either the original Lakas–CMD (which was a merger of Lakas ng Tao and NUCD, which was then named as Lakas-NUCD, which then absorbed UMDP to become Lakas-NUCD-UMDP, and then renamed itself as Lakas–CMD), or KAMPI. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 06:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC) – H T  D  15:17, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: Despite what's said here, in which the original Lakas-CMD is the "surviving entity", the Commission on Elections considers Lakas Kampi CMD as a new party: compare nos. 5 (acknowledging that Lakas-CMD merely renamed itself from Lakas-NUCD-UMDP), 36 (KAMPI) and 128 (new party). – H T  D  16:03, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: If the move succeeds, the links leading to Lakas–CMD would have to point to the original, except for anything pertaining to the current stuff such as the 15th Congress of the Philippines and the like. – H T  D  16:20, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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Requested move 07 December 2013

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Lakas–CMD (2009) → Lakas–CMD – Quite clear that the present-day party is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC vs. the historical one. Relisted bd2412  T 21:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC) – H  T  D  16:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

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Merge two Lakas articles
There is no point on keeping two. Nacionalista Party is one article despite its several incarnations. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 04:43, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the incarnations of the Nacionalista Party were all described as "wings". "Quezon wing", "Osmena wing", "Liberal wing", "Roy wing", etc. The Lakas-NUCD then became Lakas-CMD and the Lakas-Kampi-CMD that became Lakas-CMD were two different judicial persons. It's not the best analogy, but think of them as Tories (British political party) and the present-day Conservative Party (UK). Another similar analogy would be Liberal Party (UK) and Liberal Party (UK, 1989). – H T  D  14:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm talking about the pre-World War II Nacionalistas, the party between WWII and Marcos, The 90s Nacionalistas, and the Villar-era party of today. There isn't necessarily any connection to each of them except name. 17:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * AFAIK there's always been one existing Nacionalista Party from 1907 up to now. I mean, there's supposedly a lineage of NP presidents from Osmeña to Villar. Indeed, if there's one "break" during World War II and during martial law but the official "explanation" is that the party "just became dormant". The Commission on Elections, for the 2010 elections, listed separate entries for "LAKAS CHRISTIAN MUSLIM DEMOCRATS (LAKAS-CMD) formerly LAKAS NUCD-UMDP PARTY" (entry #5, SPP 87-016), KABALIKAT NG MALAYANG PILIPINO (KAMPI) (entry #36, SPP 97-003), and "LAKAS KAMPI CMD" (entry #128, SPP 09-068/09-094). The first 2 digits in the SPP number most probably refers to the year it was registered. LAKAS-CMD in 1987, KAMPI in 1997, and LAKAS-KAMPI in 2009. Interestingly, NACIONALISTA PARTY (entry #33) is also there, but presumably with no SPP number (same case with LIBERAL PARTY and WORKERS AND PEASANTS PARTY.). It probably means they were registered before there were SPP numbers. The Nacionalistas even existed before the Commission on Elections was even formed. – H T  D  18:07, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Lakas-Kampi-CMD should be restored as the merged party much like the United Nationalist Alliance but the content after the name reverted back to "Lakas" should stay/go to the Lakas article since they claim continuity from it.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 07:14, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Lakas-Kampi-CMD is "no more". It has been renamed into Lakas-CMD; if you noticed, media no longer refer to "Lakas-Kampi" but just "Lakas" nowadays. Electoral alliances are quite different from all-out mergers. The SDP-Liberal Alliance of 1980s UK was an alliance like the arrangement between the PMP and PDP-Laban in 2013. The merger of Lakas and KAMPI was like the merger of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada and the Canadian Alliance. – H T  D  08:54, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Some history: In 2009, Lakas-CMD (1991) and KAMPI merged into Lakas-Kampi-CMD. If we're going to merge Lakas-CMD (1991) and Lakas-CMD articles, that means that Lakas-CMD (1991) should've been moved to Lakas-Kampi-CMD back then; I dunno what would've happened to the KAMPI article. It didn't because back then, it was understood that the old Lakas and KAMPI parties were dissolving. Now with Lakas-Kampi-CMD being renamed into "Lakas-CMD" it is not that obvious. – H T  D  10:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of moving the original party into the current one, and restoring the Kampi and Lakas-Kampi-CMD articles. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make sense. KAMPI is sitting nicely at KAMPI, the original party is at Lakas–CMD (1991), and Lakas-Kampi-CMD is Lakas–CMD. – H T  D  02:50, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Closing, given no consensus for the merge, and discussion stale for more than 2 years. Klbrain (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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