Talk:Lake Burley Griffin

Pictures
To anyone who cares: I'm going to be getting my Aunt and Uncle to take some pictures of Lake Burley Griffin from various angles and positions. They are happy to release the pictures to the public domain! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have a couple of photos of Lake Burley Griffin, we could use if we are happy the quality is good enough. ,. Martyman 07:29, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi Martyman, you're welcome for the corrections. No particular suggestions, the article is good work. This is the most comprehensive article I've ever seen on a dam of this scale! --xoddam 04:02, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Whoa.
"The lake is stocked annually with a variety of introduced and native species, over 1.26 fish have been released since 1964." Whoa. Those poor unsuccessful fisherman. More to the point: that poor fish! - Ta bu shi da yu 04:52, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Well spotted.. ;-) Martyman

Panoramic Images
It has been suggested that the two panorama shots at the bottom of the article are inapropriate. Any suggestions as to what should be done? Should I remove one or both, or move to different parts of the article? Martyman 06:07, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Make sure they fit on an 800x600 pixel screen and move one of them to the top. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 08:04, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

Hazards Noteriety
I am not sure this section is relevent. The number of deaths in the lake was brought up as evidence that somewhere else was not dangerous. I am certain that the deaths per user would compare well to any other well used body of water, I would like some way of placing this in perspective. This is a bit like finding an article about a random suburb and adding a hazards section saying 30 people have died there in the last 20 years. Martyman 04:45, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Sounds fair enough. Ambi 04:51, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I have been trying to find some comparable statistics to proove that these numbers are nothing out of the ordinary but am having a hard time trying to think of what to compare it to. Martyman 09:00, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * I have removed the following section from the article until someone can prove that this statistic is substantially above any other recreationaly utilized body of water. I have never ever heard Lake Burley Griffin being refered to as dangerous and I have lived here all my life and spent many years swimming and wind surfing in the lake. I will try to incorporate the stat into a saftey section. Martyman 13:53, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I will create a hospital implosion stub and link to it from this article, but as the subject is mentioned already in other wikipedia articles I see no need to re-describe it here. Martyman 13:53, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * ==Hazards and Notoriety==
 * Between 1962 and 1991 seven people died in Lake Burley Griffin.Mrs Grassby in ACT Legislative Assembly Hansard 21 February 1991 p76 On 13 July 1997, the Royal Canberra Hospital at Acton peninsula on Lake Burley Griffin was demolished by implosion with 100,000 spectators watching.  The implosion was poorly planned, and large debris and shrapnel rained down on spectators.  Large fragments were found 650m from the demolition site.  Nine people were injured, and a twelve year old girl was killed.Emergency Management Australia, Attorney-General's Department

The Hospital Implossion is a delicate subject that should probably be dealt with in it's own article. It had nothing directly to do with the lake itself. I can see that a link to an article about it might be suitable for this page. The implossion is detailed on the page about Kate Carnell. Martyman 04:45, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * It probably deserves a passing mention here (though the link needs to be made, by stating that she was sitting on its shores when it happened), but it really needs an article of its own. Ambi 04:51, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Picture arrangement
Why aren't all the pictures in the section they depict? The Carrilon is mentioned in one of the sections yet it's pictured in the lead, while the map is somewhere in another section. Looking at the history, it seems Martyman moved the map back down. Can you explain why? [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 12:12, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * Is this such a big problem? IMO, it looks better to have the picture, rather than the map at the top, and they're both relevant to the design section. Ambi 12:57, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I decided as Ambi points out that having the photos in the correct sections is less important than the artical looking good. Martyman 13:47, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lead section
Could someone take care of this? It's the main outstanding objection on FAC. I'd do it myself, but these really aren't my forte. Ambi 12:55, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Had a go at this earlier, it is harder than it sounds. If no one else writes one before I get to it, I will try again sometime tomorrow. Martyman 13:47, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is - particularly with this topic. While I'm here, could someone please incorporate the fact about figures in the Coalition pushing for the name Lake Menzies, and Menzies personally vetoing it? I can't find a decent spot for it. Ambi 01:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I added the naming information to the "filling" section. It should be ok there I hope. I am still stumped as to how to go about sumarising the article for a lead section. I don't believe it really needs one, as the current one seem to work pretty well. But if it is still going to hold up the FAC proccess I will keep thinking about it. Martyman 08:25, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I've had a shot. I've messaged Jeronimo to see if it'll satisfy his objection, and I'm trying to chase up the other two minor objections by MacGyverMagic. Ambi 09:06, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Reference Section
I had a try at improving the reference section, but I think it made it worse. See my comments on the FAC page. Martyman 11:30, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * ACT Government Hansard - 21 February 1991 - (Mentions deaths in Canberra waterways)
 * ARNAT - Algal bloom information - (Information on Algal blooms in Lake Burley Griffin)
 * Australian Explorer - Lake Burley Griffin - (General Article on Lake Burley Griffin)
 * Environment ACT - Water Ski Notice - (ACT government notice about the Molonglo reach water ski area)
 * Environment ACT - blue-green algae info - (Blue green algae description)
 * Canberra House - Short History of Canberra - (Short Canberra History)
 * Carp - A Destructive Force - (Information on the introduced Common Carp)
 * Menzies Virtual Museum - 1964 - (Prime Minister Menzies opening Lake Burley Griffin info)
 * National Capital Authority - Canberra Plan - Appendix I - (Section of the Canberra Plan that describes Lake Burley Griffin)
 * National Capital Authority - Capital Facts - Lake Burley Griffin - (Facts about Lake Burley Griffin)
 * National Capital Authority - Capital Facts - Scrivener Dam Creation - (Facts about Scrivener Dam)
 * National Capital Authority - Capital Facts - Captain Cook Memorial - (Facts about Captn. Cook Memorial)
 * National Capital Authority - Lake Burley Griffin Permits - (Lake Burley Griffin permit information)
 * National Capital Authority - Publications - Lake Burley Griffin Water Management Plan - (Lake management plan)
 * National Capital Authority - Publications - Event Guide North Lake Burley Griffin - (Venue info north bank)
 * National Capital Authority - Publications - Event Guide South Lake Burley Griffin - (Venue info south bank)


 * That's one way of going about it. I've been trying to find an article that references websites properly, and I know there's some, but I can't find one. As to MGM's specific objection, though - I'm beginning to think that it's unworkable, because it would mean messing the article up to a point where I'd object. Ambi 11:39, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * No need to worry now - MGM has lifted his objection, as has Jeronimo, and short of any new ones, it looks like this is headed for FA status. Congrats, Martyman! :) Ambi 13:24, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Possible Wiki Links (selective mode)
(These should be mostly correct).

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Scrivener's Design Modifications
The lines about Scrivener modifying the designs by incorporating ideas from other plans do not seem to agree with the link given. On the canberra house web page it says that although a committee prepared a plan incorporating elements of all three finalists, this was abandened when Griffin was appointed director of design and construction. The same history is given in National Capital Exhibition by the lake, although this refers to King O'Malley, the politician in charge, rather than Scrivener.

Wombat 01:07, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * I think you are right. I will ahve to look into where I came up with that info from. Scrivener was part of the commitee (created by O'Malley) that came up with the new design for Canberra but I am having trouble figuring out which plan construction actually occured under. I belive construction began on the comittee designs before Griffin returned and took control. Though I am uncertain as to how successful he was in actually changing things back to his point of view. Martyman 06:00, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll try to get back to the Exhibition and read up some more on it, I'm sure they go into great detail about it. Wombat 03:06, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * I have modified the section to hopefully be a bit more acurate. I do know from looking at the original Burley Griffin plans and the Committee plan, that the lake we have is very similar to the later desgn. claims it was Scriveners suggestion to change the lake's design and switch to a single dam. Martyman 05:37, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Top photo too dark?
This article is in great shape, but isn't the top photo a bit dark? It's hard to see the actual lake. (I know it's a dusk shot, I'm just saying it's customary to use pictures where the object is visible.) El T 09:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

New photos
Love the new photos - I think they do a lot to improve the article. However, it'd be nice if an alternative could be found for Image:CommAveBridge.JPG, which is really too dark to be of much use. Ambi 11:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, we could always use one of Fir0002's night shots which are much prettier, but unfortunatly even less illustrative. See: . I can't remember seeing any other bridge photos floating around. I guess I could always drop past and try to get a suitable photo myself at some stage. --Martyman- (talk) 12:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Image:Lake_Burley_Griffin_and_Comm_Ave_Bridge.JPG this is all I've got showing the bridge, It's lighter than the current one.--nixie 12:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have this one of the Cook memorial too Image:Captain Cook Memorial.JPG--nixie 12:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think we should go with Image:Lake_Burley_Griffin_and_Comm_Ave_Bridge.JPG - it conveys the same point, but is a gorgeous photo. :) Ambi 12:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed/done. --Martyman- (talk) 20:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I put the original one up, but this one is much better. --Paul 07:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I was on a bus this morning going by the lake near the National Museum, and it struck me that we could get a really good photo of the lake/bridge/National Library/High Court for this article by taking one from the foreshore opposite the childcare centre down there. Any chance someone with a decent camera could have a go at getting one? Ambi 04:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Not sure where exactly you mean. Do you mean from near where I took this photo? Image:Lake Burley Griffin Canberra-MJC02.jpg --Martyman- (talk) 04:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually I think I understand where you mean. Along the peninsula a bit more from there, closer to the museum. I could try to remember to bring my camera to work tomorrow and get a shot on the way home. --Martyman- (talk) 04:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah. There's a spot there where there's a great view of the bridge, with the High Court, National Library, Captain Cook Memorial and Carilion all easily visible behind. Ambi 06:49, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, Sorry for butting in a little late, but can these photos be used somewhere: Image:Jet and national library behind terrestrial globe.jpg Image:Parliament house between two bridges.jpg? Maybe unles your photos are better Martyman, the Image:Parliament house between two bridges.jpg could be used for the Commonwealth Avenue Bridge. Is the terrestrial globe special at all? --Fir0002 09:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Meh, I am not particularly enthused over any of the photos I took the other day. The Globe is mainly notable as a map of Captain Cook's voyages rather than being notable as anything to do with lake burley griffin. The one taken from under the bridge is nice, but I think Pet's one in the article already is a better illustration fo the bridge. --Martyman- (talk)

I dropped past here yesterday. Not sure if any of the photos I got where particularly good. I will see if I cna get the best ones online over the weekend. The most interesting thing about the place was the large amount of exposed limestone near the lake edge. It is the only place on the Limestone Plains that I have ever seen any limestone. --Martyman- (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Just noticed Fir0002's panorama of Lake Burley Griffin which I added. Its a great shot and gives an overhead view that makes it different from the other photos. Astrokey44 |talk 14:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I found another one on the Telstra page, cropped it and added some text like the photos they have at observatories. This was an experiment, would it work in the article? Astrokey44 |talk 02:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but the text quality in the thumbnails is pretty terrible. It could stand to be slightly larger, and I would probably try to add a small shadow behind the text to increase the contrast and make it easier to read. Then again this duplicates a lot of the information already in the map. --Martyman- (talk) 06:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had trouble with the text which is why its red and white, shadows would be a good idea. Its might have the same info but its a different view which maybe adds to the understanding of where it is Astrokey44 |talk 11:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to see a better photo at the head of the article than the fountain on a partly cloudy day. Either the map showing the profile of the lake or a similar panorama would be more illustrative. Garglebutt / (talk) 13:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Fishing Section
Would anyone complain if I cut down the fishing section somewhat? I was never too happy with that much information on fishing being added to the article, it doesn't seem very encyclopedic to me. --Martyman- (talk) 05:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. Ambi 06:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Rather than cut down on the info, perhaps the section could be spun off into its own article - or an article on the biology of the lake, natural history of the lake ....--A  Y  Arktos 07:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Natural history of an artificial lake.... ;) I would probably cut the last three paragraphs, which are just an elabotation of the previous details and provide more information about how to catch and eat fish than is really required.--nixie 07:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I will spin it off to Fish of LBG or something similar in the next 24 hours. I really don't like losing info, even if it is how to use up old corn kernels--A  Y  Arktos 08:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think a spin off article on the fish in LBG would be, like the storm article, of limited encyclopedic value.--nixie 08:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, I wouldn't even feel comfortable linking to a Fish of LBG from the article. I also don't like the last three paragraphs, I would be interested in getting rid of the second last parragraph and maybe combining the other two into somthing a bit shorter. I am concerned at the effort put in to getting articles up to featured status (in this case largely my effort) only to have the overall quality of the article degraded again afterwards through well meaning additions. If people complain about geographic articles being to tourist-guidey, then detailed fishing instructions are definately a no-go. --Martyman- (talk) 08:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Could there be something like Fish in Australia with this info as a subheading? Astrokey44 |talk 11:30, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Googong dam
The lead section contins the assertion: "In times of drought, water levels can fall below desired limits; so to compensate, water is released from the Googong Dam, located on a tributary of the Molonglo River." Given the recent drought and associated water restrictions, I find it difficult to blieve that water from Googong would be used like this. I can look for a source but anyone have any views?--A Y  Arktos 08:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I reworded the information a bit. It is true that when Googong was preposed that one of it's functions was to be an extra store of water used to maintain Lake Burley Griffin water levels. I am not sure if this has ever been nessecary though. --Martyman- (talk) 00:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * This is refernced in reference #6. --Martyman- (talk) 01:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

coords
the coordinates are a little out.. they point to land to the west of Scrivener dam, but it doesnt seem to work if I add the seconds? --Astrokey 44 02:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Immigration Bridge
Can we add something on the proposed Immigration Bridge under the bridges section? This would bring the article up to date. JRG (talk)

Average Depth
Average depth is listed as 4 m. By volume and surface area it is actually 4.9 m, which is a true definition of average depth (unless you have some kind of weighting for different parts of the lake). Is there any reference for this 4.0 m value or should it be changed to match the volume/area value? Fincle (talk) 02:56, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Aspen Island
"... excavated stone was moved beside the Kings Avenue Bridge at the eastern edge of the central basin from Aspen Island." doesn't seem right. Should "from Aspen Island" be "to form Aspen Island"? Regards, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 04:09, 30 July 2018 (UTC)