Talk:Lake City, Seattle

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Summary: +, cit, so cl, rephrased; see Talk. MoS Explication: See Talk:Seattle, Citing sources.

Suggestions: (We know we're in Washington State, that's in the article title.) "The expansion of Aurora Avenue North to" would be more accurate (the highway didn't do it, doesn't possess it). "The opening of Northgate Mall in 1950" would be less awkward. For accuracy, "Northgate Mall's opening in 1950 killed business in Lake City," so there was no business remaining afterward? --or "killed some businesses", "retail business declined"; Citation needed. "Renovation of Lake City's center": more accurately, perhaps "city core", since a linear development has little center.

Note re. Street layout of Seattle provides references for accuracy. Redundancy may be reduced. See also Talk:Seattle, Citing sources. Citation needed noted where needed to distinguish from citation following. See also Talk:Seattle, Style. Bug: , etc. DNF, form DNF. used for subsequent. See "Style" section in Talk:Seattle, Citing sources. DD Month auto format to user settings displays distracting link.

"External Links" -> "Further Reading", per MoS Further reading/external links. "Retrieved [date]", since on-line reference links can break, (Embedded links).

--GoDot 15:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy is a goal.

As a former incorporated town, Lake City is more accurately a set of neighborhoods--an informal district, quarter, or borough--rather than a single neighborhood. As such, that is less awkward than using "sub-neighborhoods". Where is sub-neighborhood a correct word?
 * Above paragraph copied to Neighborhoods articles issues Talk:Seattle#6. Seattle neighborhoods|6. Seattle neighborhoods at Talk:Seattle. [--GoDot 04:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)]

"Lake City Way (formerly Bothell Way)" subtly provides historical context. Lake City grew up linearly with the automobile, in contrast to centrally around trolley stations like older city neighborhoods. The Old Bothell-Everett Highway was long a main road to city hinterlands before the feds and Highway 99. Traces still remain by the old LaVilla Dairy. The old vestigal Bothell Way name long remained, and the current naming (1960s) was part of a revitalization after the effects of Northgate Mall and I-5. How a neighborhood grew up has helped define what it is today. That the convenience store and fancy gas station is owned by one of the most famous oil companies in the Pacific Northwest ("modern oil company-owned"), is a concise part of the story of the Jolly Roger being so emblematic of the history (and thus character) of the district. The goal here is to tell a lot in few words. The article is relatively brief, so a few concise additonal words can well be afforded.

The Street layout of Seattle descriptive sentence is a useful link that is particularly relevant to content of metro neighborhoods articles, since such info is of particular interest to anyone wishing to navigate a city. Its codification has been a big deal in Seattle public works (cf. Phelps, Samson). The layout patterns of New York are famous. As such it is also a distinctive aspect of community character, demonstrably so with respect to that of different cultures. After the initial paragraph, Lake City Way NE is redundant; they're all NE around here. Text is often more smoothly readable without. People don't much use the compass designations within a neighborhhod, unless disambiguation is needed. The link provides any further elaboration desired.

--GoDot 19:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Summary: + txt, cl wrt cit, date cit; see Talk Explication: Added text, cleaned up with respect to source citations (so text accurately reflects source data), added date to citations. I did the citations here being corrected : )`

Headings to force ToC [Table of Contents] to top of article.

Re. Jolly Roger, refs file id=3449 and file id=3481, NB: Displayed footnotes consolidated for readability, specifics retained within as placholders for precision.

--GoDot 16:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The Jolly Roger is about Lake City. It was selected among several as having a story most illustrative of that part of Lake City history 1910s-1990s. As such, it is an integral part of Lake City character and the Lake City article. Further, the Jolly Roger article has no sources; it has neither functional references nor any Bibliography. [ Cite your sources ] The Jolly Roger Restaurant article should be redirected. --GoDot 06:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Was Jolly Roger even in Lake City? If the map is right, then lake city stops 95th, which is half a mile north of Jolly Roger. -Gomm 18:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "stretching from between NE 85th and 98th streets to the Seattle city limits at NE 145th Street"--exact boundaries do not exist. --Lukobe 18:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no source for that statement. The only geographic description that actually has a source is the map, which clearly shows the southern edge of LC is half a mile north of 87th. Is the map wrong? Should we delete it? or maybe JR just is not in LC. -Gomm 21:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Businesses
Should the names of local business be included, and links to them? --Lukobe 17:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Pending resolution, the disputed part has been removed. Shouldn't we not cave in to the influence of big chains and list them to the exclusion of small local businesses? Some of those businesses are unique. For example, the dance studio has, among its clients, a noted dance company. There's a doctor whose specialty is rare in the Pacific Northwest. A restaurant is highly regarded. Even a small shop has a brand of cookies seldom found and the subject of a wikipedia article. On the other hand, what does Bank of America do beside being large??? I think a neutrally worded article mentioning some things about Lake City businesses is appropriate. Otherwise, people think only car dealers are there. We certainly aren't saying "Go to Joe Smith, the dentist". The following is proposed compromise language using several peoples' work:

The residential environment in Lake City has been enhanced with a long campaign by citizens, restoring Thornton Creek; Lake City encompasses much of this largest single watershed in Seattle. In 2006, the newly rebuilt Lake City branch of the Seattle Public Library was re-opened.

Lake City also has public art on display. There is a small park at the corner of Lake City Way and NE 125th Street with an arch from the since demolished First National Bank building. Amongst the tree lined center divider are steel sculptures representing swords cutting large stones and sometimes referred to as "the forks slicing giant potatos".

The tree-lined boulevard design gives the central business area a downtown like area, as opposed to a busy suburban street or strip mall. The central part of Lake City includes some nationally owned businesses such as the Kroger-owned Fred Meyer and QFC, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Blockbuster Video, Washington Mutual, and Radio Shack, as well as large locally owned businesses such as Bartell Drugs, which is building a new store at Lake City Way and NE 125th Street, one block from its current location.

Giving a local flavor to the neighborhood and distinguishing it from a large shopping center, there are local merchants such as Pony Express mail box services, Manila Town Oriental Foods, critically acclaimed Toyoda Restaurant, Mad Pizza, DanceSport International dance studio, etc. There are also professional services, such as the North Seattle Dental Clinic , dental office of Seng Yea, DDS and the medical offices of David Yee, MD, an eye doctor and ophthalmic plastic surgeon , Richard F. Yee, M.D., Rush Drake Insurance agency, and other locally owned businesses. Some of these smaller businesses have expertise that extends beyond their size.

There are also car dealerships in Lake City which many outside of the area think of despite the presence of many other businesses and public art displays.

On-street parking is free in Lake City.Dereks1x 19:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Do we need anything about any specific businesses in the area? I am still against having links to particular shops' Web sites. --Lukobe 21:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not talking about a long ad, just to show people that Lake City is more than just Bill Pierre Ford. In a free society, more info is preferred to restricting info. Just my 2 centsHumanThing 21:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * strikethrough of sockpuppet comment per Suspected sock puppets/Dereks1x and WP:SOCK. --Bobblehead 08:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think the actual names of the businesses along Lake City Way are particularly notable so I don't see a reason why they should be included. If you include one business then there isn't a reason not to include them all, which is definitely not Wikipedia is about. I'd just leave it at:
 * The boulevard design of Lake City Way gives the central business area a downtown-like feel as opposed to a busy suburban street or strip mall. Businesses along Lake City Way range from national retail chains to local small businesses.
 * All these lists of businesses on the Seattle neighborhood pages are just listcruft.--Bobblehead 23:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm with Bobblehead. --Lukobe 23:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Bobblehead! You never contributed to the Lake City article before. You're from Lake City? Yings is mentioned. Why list that restaurant? I think there is not much to say about a small neighborhood so we can allow some slack and talk about the place. With the Seattle or New York article, ok, it's not appropriate. But for a small area centering around Lake City Way, it is ok. Besides, the article is NOT very long. There does seem to be some unique businesses which the reader might not know if unsaid or might not catch unless it's noted, such as the unique dance studio, acclaimed restaurant, very specialized doc, etc. 71.212.124.160 18:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm from Seattle so I have most of the neighborhoods on my watch list, I just infrequently edit them. The relative size of an article isn't a determinate for what content should and shouldn't be allowed. It's about what's notable. Like I said, you include one, there is no reason not to include them all. As for why Ying's is listed.. *shrug* It wasn't removed when Dereks1x removed the others?--Bobblehead 23:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Crime stats
I reverted this addition by an anon, but the sentiment they left behind are technically correct. The City of Seattle reference that was there before no longer supports the claim that Lake City has one of the highest crime rates in the city. If you look at the mapped crime stats Lake City has a lower crime rate than most of the neighborhoods starting at the U-district and south to First Hill. Current crime stats seem to place it in the middle of Seattle neighborhoods, so a new source is needed to support the "one of the highest" claims.--Bobblehead (rants) 21:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I second this. I'm very confused why it's even there, seeing as that it's had a citation needed for almost a year. Elladisenchanted (talk) 19:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I cut it after realizing we'd had citation needed bits up there for 6 months and almost 12. --Elladisenchanted (talk) 19:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Little Germany
A search for Little Germany shows something about Lake City, but there is nothing in this article about it. Does anyone know if this is real or where to get information on it?--DerRichter (talk) 01:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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