Talk:Lake Oswego/Archive 1

Added a stub for Lake Oswego High School.

Lake no...
A lot of people affectionately call Lake Oswego "Lake No Negro" Because of its rich affluent middle and upper class there are virtually no black people living up there at all.

Lake Big...
The nickname "Lake Big-Ego" is also quite popular, but I'm not sure as to how relevant these little factoids are to the big article... --Gregoe86 05:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Colin?
What's the story on that most recent edit about a "former Lake Oswego resident named Colin"? Is this a joke thing or an anecdote that I'm not aware of...? --Gregoe86 05:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

NPOV issue
"The city is known as a residential area for the wealthy"

This ought to be changed to "Lake Oswego has some of the higest valued property in the Portland Area" or something to that tune. There are large groups of seniors, long-term renters and condo residents. While not nesescarily poor, they aren't exactly in the highest quintile either. I think people are confusing the Dunthorpe and Riverview areas (further up the river) with Lake Oswego propper.

I'm going to change this and acknowledge the perception versus the reality.

not the best
"Lake Oswego is the wealthiest of the Portland suburbs. Not only do many professionals employed in downtown Portland commute from Lake Oswego, but the city has its own area of 5-6 story, brick and glass office buildings (Kruze Way and Centerpoint), which employ many prosperous attorneys and accountants."

This is a poorly written and awkward sentence that does not belong in the introduction portion of this article. Not only is "Kruze Way" (it's Kruse) spelled incorrectly, but the comment about prosperous attorneys and accountants is generalized and misleading. The buildings that house offices in Kruse Way lease to many different companies that employ a variety of occupations. Perhaps mentioning that the Oregon State Bar is located within the development would be more interesting and pertinent information.

Additionally, while Lake Oswego is indeed an affluent area, it is again misleading to call it the 'wealthiest' suburb. There are many enclaves and concentrations of wealth occuring outside the urban areas of Portland that are proportionately wealthier than Lake Oswego (i.e. Dunthorpe, various neighborhoods in the West Hills, etc.)

Thebarkitect 10:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm glad you noticed this needed rewriting. That's why I tagged the article for cleanup and sources. Thanks for doing some cleanup. If you can look over and do anything with the rest of the article, that would be great. (I don't know much about the place, but I like well-written articles.) Parts still read like a real estate ad. And welcome to Wikipedia. Happy editing! Katr67 14:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well I was the one who put that sentence there. But I'm very happy with the way it has been changed. I meant to be a little provocative, because the practice of which I do strongly disapprove is putting a lot of meaningless facts, such as latitude and longitude in the intro. Such information means nothing to the vast majority of readers. What I meant to do was to give the really relevant information at the beginning. I'm not an LO booster, as I live in West Linn. I do feel that the existence of the Kruse Way and Centerpointe developments is an important part of the commercial aspect of LO. Sorry I misspelled "Kruse." I probably should have googled it first, to make sure. With regard to putting a generalization in the article, virtually everything ever stated is a generalization on some level. The more important question is: "Is it true?" Nevertheless, I'm happy with the intro the way it is now, and I thank the contributors.Tesint 16:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for replying. For the record, (this is directed to Thebarkitect too) to call your contributions "poorly written" borders on being uncivil, so I'm glad you didn't take offense and that you like the changes made. Happy editing! Katr67 17:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC) P.S. Hey, I see you borrowed my addition to the "flexible" userbox about link spam. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, well...thanks! Katr67 17:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I copied all of your little boxes, and then deleted the ones that did no apply.

I hate the intro the way it is now, but am afraid to change it, because a string of edits just might mess it up worse. Is there a working group to come up with a preferred style in an article about a city?? I think the most important facts about LO, in order are 1) It's rep as wealthy suburb of Portland; 2) The lake itself; 3) Both Commercial district and housing. Do we have to put in all the details about the counties it is in?? Who cares?? My guess is that folks outside of Oregon are far more likely to have heard of LO than of Clackamas County, or Washington County or even Multnomah County. I am going to take a picture of the lake and put it in the arcticle. BTW, West Linn is now constructing a lake, in order to outdo LO. Well,....,not really. But we have a horse sculpture, and a meteorite statue.


 * The WikiProject Oregon cities subproject might be a good place to ask, but it's been pretty quiet there lately. WikiProject Cities has a ton of info though. You might ask on the WikiProject Oregon talk page, sometimes people jump in and collaborate. Of course, Oregon wine got the most response...Lake Oswego? Maybe not so much. I've been hesitating about rewriting the article because it does need a top-to-bottom rewrite and not just a few more tweaks, and the sources for the history section need to be checked so it would be pretty time consuming. Maybe I'll have more energy when I get back from my wikibreak. So many articles, so little time. Katr67 02:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Lake Oswego Police and Black People
Hi you may noticed that I threw in a blurp about the amount of underage drinking violations served up by the boys in blue. I think the lake oswego police department should be comended for their fine sleuthing in this arena. I also had to include the zero black people, i don't know of any but if you do change the zero to one, or two or whatever ok cool thanks

Lake Oswego Demographics
I checked the census data on Lake Oswego. (See page 58 of http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/phc-1-39.pdf ). Whites make up 89.7% of LO, not 97.13%. We should probably change that, and recalculate the percentages for the other races with the census data. Also, where did we get the demographics data on the article right now? Seems odd to have made mistakes on all of those. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.201.185 (talk) 06:19, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
 * Good catch. The change was made by a vandal a while back and it never got caught. Here's the diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lake_Oswego%2C_Oregon&diff=41864361&oldid=37086301


 * I updated the data from here: http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts?_event=Search&geo_id=&_geoContext=&_street=&_county=Lake+Oswego&_cityTown=Lake+Oswego&_state=04000US41&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010&show_2003_tab=&redirect=Y


 * The data seems to be the same as was originally entered prior to the vandalism, but has been rounded to the nearest tenth rather than hundredth. --Sprkee 17:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI the original demographics data for all the articles about U.S. settlements was added by bot using the official 2000 census data. (The little is the citation.) It looks like the LO article had the demog info added by the bot's owner because the article was uncharacteristically complex (compared to most settlement articles) for the bot to work. The original figures are here, and are a bit off from the currently cited figures but closer than the ones the vandal added. As a side note, people really seem to like to harp about how white the population of LO is. Is it any more white than dozens of other places in the state? Is this notable? If there are any reliable sources about this, it might be worth putting in the article, and it might keep the vandalism down... Katr67 18:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's anything particularly notable about this other than the reputation and the racist nickname. It's actually less white than the rest of Oregon (91% vs. 93%), slightly whiter than some adjacent cities (Tigard, Tualatin), less white than some (West Linn), but considerably whiter than Portland as a whole (91% vs. 77%)--though some parts of Portland would have similar demographics. I'd say not notable. --Sprkee 18:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)