Talk:Lakemba Mosque

Potential for original photography
Little piece of Mecca mentions that free tours are sometimes run of the Lakemba mosque. It might be a way to get photos of the building. Andjam 02:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Imam Ali Mosque at Lakemba?
"Keysar Trad: Well the term ‘Darulfatwa’ is exclusive right of the representative of Darulfatwa in Lebanon, that’s Imam Yahya Safi who operates out of Lakemba Mosque." "Arrived in Australia in 1996 as the newly appointed Imam for the Imam Ali Mosque at Lakemba- the largest Mosque in Australia." - http://www.yahyasafi.com/biography_e.html - http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s1233723.htm 2 Imams?, "Imam Ali Mosque at Lakemba"? 2 names for 1 mosque? SmithBlue 15:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Correct name of this Mosque?
Is "Imam Ali Mosque" the correct name for this place? SmithBlue 10:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sensis, http://sensis.com.au Business and Government gives: Lakemba Mosque, 84 Wangee Rd Lakemba NSW 2195 (02) 9750 6845
 * http://www.arabicpages.com.au/nsw/i-mosques.php "Mosques in NSW" gives; Al-Imam Ali Mosque, 65-67 Wangee Road, Lakemba, NSW, 2195, Tel: (02) 9759 2072, Fax: (02) 9759 8149
 * http://members.tripod.com/worldupdates/newupdates10/id17.htm Origins of Islam in Australia, by Zachariah Matthews says, "The first mosque established in Sydney in the late 1960s was in Lakemba (Imam Ali Mosque)."
 * http://www.lma.org.au/mosque.php The Lebanese Moslems Association use "Lakemba mosque".


 * I doubt very much that it's called "Imam Ali Mosque". -- Shoejartalk/edits

Go on, dont keep me in suspense! - tell me why you doubt this. (humour) Some people are calling something "Imam Ali Mosque". SmithBlue 14:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Have 1 of lawyer/lecturer giving mosque name as: Imam Ali ben Abi Taleb Mosque.

http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1606_0_25_0_C35 SmithBlue 23:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Have finally found a clearly verifiable source for "Sunday name". see article. SmithBlue 09:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's inconclusive. I know that the majority of the congregation at this mosque - of which I'm a part - call it simply "Lakemba mosque". There's no reason why Wikipedia should refer to it as otherwise, when there's no agreement on what else to call it. It's a needless bother. -- Shoejartalk/edits
 * I'm not suggesting changing the name of the article - it does appear from Irfan Yusuf's article in a reputable published source that "Lakemba Moseque" has a formal title of "Imam Ali ben Abi Taleb Mosque". Could you check up on this name - as you can see an abreviated version of it appears on www.arabicpages.com.au and http://www.yahyasafi.com/biography_e.html

I'm not asking you to prove a negative - just see what people in the organisational side of things say. If that fails please ask Sheikh Yahya Safi why "Imam Ali Mosque" is on his biography webpage. SmithBlue 12:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * From looking around the Web, it appears that it is referred to as the "Imam Ali Mosque". I don't know if that's the official name. I might be wrong about what the "majority of the congregation" call it, also. -- Shoejartalk/edits

I'd never heard of "Imam Ali ben Abi Taleb" till i started researching Sydney Muslim culture. I have found another variation on the name, "Masjid Ali Bin Abi Taleb, known as Lakemba Mosque", from Sheikh Shady's bio on http://www.sydneyic.org.au/Sh_Shady.html SmithBlue 10:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Fatwas on Christmas
We report that Shaykh Safi, the Imam of the mosque, issued a fatwa relating to Christmas in 2012. Another paragraph has been added reporting that Safi had issued a similar fatwa in 2016. I formed the opinion that the 2016 report probably related to the 2012 fatwa, so I deleted the paragraph with the edit summary "Already covered in earlier paragraph, assuming that this is the 2012 fatwa". The paragraph has been restored with the edit summary "restored 2016 fatwa, this is not about 2012."

I am still of the opinion that there is no adequate evidence that a second fatwa relating to Christmas was issued in 2016, for the following reasons: 1. The 2016 news report and the the 2012 news report have several identical quotations. In both reports the fatwa is quoted as saying: In both reports the Grand Mufti of Australia is reported as commenting It is very unlikely that the Grand Mufti would have commented on a 2016 Fatwa with precisely the same words that he had used about a 2012 fatwa.
 * "disbelievers are trying to draw Muslims away from the straight path"
 * "falsehoods that a Muslim should avoid ... and therefore, a Muslim is neither allowed to celebrate the Christmas Day nor is he allowed to congratulate them"
 * "Anyone who says otherwise is speaking irresponsibly,"
 * "There is difference between showing respect for someone's belief and sharing those beliefs,"
 * "We are required to have good relations with all people, and to congratulate them on their joyous events is very important,"

2. The 2016 report attributes the Grand Mufti quotes to a report in The Sydney Morning Herald. I have searched for this report on the Sydney Morning Herald website and using Google, and I only found the 2012 report that we cite.

3. The 2016 report does not say when the fatwa was issued. It is usual to assume that news reports refer to recent events, but this report does not explicitly indicate this.

4. The 2016 report is on the Al-Masdar News website. Inspection of its website indicates that, while it appears to be a professionally-edited website that is probably acceptable for citation in Wikipedia, it is not a major news organisation so we should exercise caution when citing it.

5. I have found no other news reports about this fatwa being issued in 2016. It would probably have been reported in the Australian press and possibly elsewhere. Some populist newspapers often feature stories that are presented in a way that is hostile to Islam, and this it the type of story that they would be likely to use.

For these reasons I will delete the paragraph. Please do not restore it without discussing the issues here.

If it can be established that there a second fatwa was issued in 2016 then it should be described in the same paragraph as the almost-identical 2012 fatwa. Verbcatcher (talk) 19:21, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Daryl Jones
Over at Talk:Al Noor Mosque, Christchurch Devorguilla clarified that a statement in a source he provided referred to this place...

I believe this should be included. -Oranginger
 * It will take more than this cite to state in Wikivoice that a mosque was perceived a hotbed of radicalism. Also, this editor was blocked as a WP:SOCK O3000 (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)