Talk:Lalor, Victoria/Archives/

Pictures
I'm thinking that it'd be a reasonable idea to doll-up this page a bit with a few of photos. Maybe of High street and Lalor Shops? Ideas?

Pronunciation
The suburb of Lalor, as with the Federal electorate, was named after Peter Lalor. Most commentators, the Speaker of the House, and the Member for Lalor, pronounce it "LAW-la", as Peter Lalor was pronounced, and as currently serving police officer Peter Lalor is pronounced.

Just because the suburb is widely pronounced "LAY-lor", does NOT make it correct. I know that years ago the Railways used to always insist that the station was pronounced "LAW-la".
 * And for years news readers and TV segments about the suburb have called it . --203.220.170.226 (talk) 12:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

IT IS "LAW-la". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supt. of Printing (talk • contribs) 13:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The reference you've added is not about the suburb. The only written reference in the article that refers to pronunciation of the suburb name says that it is pronounced "LAY-lor". How it is meant to be pronounced is not really the point. It is clear that other uses of Lalor (the man, government seat etc.. ) are pronounced LAW-la .... but not the suburb. If you can't supply a reference that refers to the suburb perhaps you'll agree to have NO pronunciation information in the article. After all the way you say the suburb's name is not very significant in an article about it ? - Peripitus (Talk) 09:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see what is wrong about the current situation, where the article is describing both the local pronunciation and mentioning the pronunciation of Peter Lalor's name. --203.220.170.226 (talk) 12:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note that the Division of Lalor is in western Melbourne - the two were named quite separately of each other. Orderinchaos 09:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The pronunciation is through common usage and therefore is correct, as this is what the locals call the suburb. Wikipedia is descriptive NOT prescriptive. By saying that it is /loːlə/ you are being prescriptive (against policy) not descriptive. And please don't use ad-hoc pronunciations. --203.220.170.226 (talk) 11:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As these references are about the 'person' I've shifted them to the position of the man himself. --203.220.170.226 (talk) 12:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

It is very dificult to cite references for pronunciation, so I am happy to leave the pronunciation blank at the beginning of the article. Nevertheless, the suburb was named after the person of Peter Lalor, and it used to be pronounced LAW-la when it was first named, but unfortunately I cannot prove that. When a thing or place is named after someone, you don't just go changing its official pronunciation—even if ignorance has done so to a wide extent through common usage.--Supt. of Printing (talk) 12:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like the case at Glendalough, Western Australia - the "correct" pronounciation is "Glenda-lock" (it's named after a town in Ireland where nuns who set up a school there were from) but it's been called "Glenda-loe" for so long that everyone does now and they even ended up changing the train announcements to reflect it. (i.e. "The next station is..." / "This is...") Orderinchaos 18:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Another case is of Mount Everest and Sir George Everest. The common pronunciation of the mountain's name is, but the correct pronunciation of Sir George Everest's surname is . These examples show that even though a place or an object is named after someone, it doesn't necessarily mean that that place or object is going to use the same pronunciation as its namesake. --203.220.171.234 (talk) 14:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

There's no such thing as an "official pronunciation". The correct pronunciation of any locality is the one used by the people who live there. Thus DARBY England but DERBY Australia are both correct. People who live in Lalor pronounce it LAY-law or LAY-luh, so that is correct. The federal electorate is called LAW-luh. The fact that the same name is pronounced two different ways in the same city is curious, but that's how it is. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:59, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * By stating emphatically that 'There's no such thing as an "official pronunciation"', I presume you mean for the Suburb of Lalor, as this is a factually incorrect statement if you mean it generally. There are plenty of examples of official pronunciations, including for place names, for example the state of Arkansas in the US where its pronunciation is legislated. Even Lalor railway station had its pronunciation declared as LAW-luh by the former Victorian Railways. The suburb of Lalor may not have an "official pronunciation" as such, but when a place is named after a person, it is reasonable to assume it is pronounced the same as that person. There is also no basis for the assersion that "The correct pronunciation of any locality is the one used by the people who live there", although this carries a lot of weight when there are no other factors to consider, such as who or what the place is named after (this is why I would generally pronounce a locality the way the most locals pronounce it, for example Castlemaine with a short "a", but Newcastle with a long "a"). At the same time, the fact is that whilst the vast majority of residents of Lalor (or Victoria) pronounce it LAY-law in more recent times, not all do, so to state that "the correct pronunciation . . . is the one used by the people who live there", assumes all people who live there pronounce it the same and that other who live in the broader community don't have any say in the "correct" pronunciation. It would be better to simply say that the predominiant pronunciation is LAY-law (or is it "LAY-luh" as is oftern heard as well?). Maybe it should say that the predominant pronunciation is "LAY-law", with variations of "LAY-luh" and "LAW-luh". Supt. of Printing (talk) 11:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Those are all fair points. I'd just say in relation to Lalor that it's become a class and local pride issue. Lalor is a working-class suburb, and I know from personal experience that people from Lalor react badly to being told by well-educated outsiders: "No, no, my good man, it's LAW-luh, not LAY-law." They tend to say "It's our suburb and we'll call it what we bloody well like." I'm sure this has reinforced an aggressive LAAAAY-law pronunciation in recent years. Local communities do get assertive about these things. Try going to Albany WA and saying AWL-bany, or saying Eden-MonAHro instead of Eden-MonAIRo in Queanbeyan. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 10:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

RIP
Lalor street shaken by murder —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.166.15 (talk) 06:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

More lalor history

 * About Us/Background and history
 * The Lalor Tennis Club has a proud 50 +year history which makes it one of the oldest Clubs in the district. It was first established in 1957 in Sydney Crescent, Lalor. The first two courts were made of asphalt and laid down by the late, Neil Evans. Neil was a builder by trade and, in the post-war period built many of the houses in the district. His wife Dot Evans recalls a team of dedicated helpers laying down the asphalt in an area that was mostly surrounded by paddocks. The club-house was built soon afterwards and once again attracted the support of many helpers. The original two courts and clubhouse still exist today reflecting our continued service to the community.
 * Established: 1957

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.108.227 (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Recollections of Lalor Shopping Centre (1960-1995)