Talk:Lamine Yamal

Moroccan?
Born in Spain and represents Spain at international level. So why is he described as a Moroccan footballer? StrodoDoggins (talk) 21:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @StrodoDoggins Just users who keep changing it because of rumours of interest from the Morroco national team who want Lamine Yamal in their squad even though he is currently representing spain. JC Kotisow (talk) 06:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Should I add Lamine being subbed off during the Porto Game?
Lamine was subbed off at the 80th minute due to stomach problems, he left the pitch at ‘71 to use the bathroom, then returned 9 minutes later. Should i add this? Somedev123Gtg (talk) 09:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * @Somedev123Gtg nah the sentence in the article is good otherwise it would start getting wordy JC Kotisow (talk) 10:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Picture?
I'm new to editing/putting images and using the bio but should there be a picture for Lamine Yamal? Yyeeetlol (talk) 18:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes Superyassi362 (talk) 23:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

18 instead 16?
New information, that’s he was 10 in 2015 178.126.248.252 (talk) 19:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Isn't he 16?? 2001:14BB:671:3DF9:0:0:C56:3101 (talk) 19:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not enough to say "New information". It needs to be cited to a reliable published source. Joyous! Noise! 20:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024
I would like to add a portrait of lamine yamal Itn117 (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. Tollens (talk) 10:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Does he have a child?
Does he have a child Wyclef Jnr (talk) 19:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Until we have sources to say otherwise, I think we should assume that a 16-year-old does not have a child. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Irish father?
It says Irish instead of marrocan father on early life paragraph 98.109.170.192 (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Which religion he is practice?
Lamine yamal is muslim,christian,or others religion he practice. 103.109.57.222 (talk) 20:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Muslim 103.153.130.156 (talk) 18:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * We don't have any source on this from the man himself, the rest is just guessing. I saw somebody add that he is a Muslim with a low-quality source that said that he hasn't said anything about it, but his aunts wear veils. Equally, his mother is from a Christian-majority country and doesn't veil. Similarly, Kylian Mbappé has parents from two countries with different traditions, so we wait for the man himself to make his statement, which he does here . Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You are still adding this, bizarrely claiming religious law to add this category to someone who lives in a free and secular country. I don't care one way or the other what religion people practice, but I do care about Wikipedia's standards of verifiable (WP:V) information about living people (WP:BLP), not WP:OR about how he was holding his hands out when a photo was taken. It's not hard to find sources about the religion of Salah, Kanté, Mahrez or Mané, so why can't I find any about Lamine Yamal, whether in Spanish or English? Bear in mind it was Ramadan at the end of last season and there are often articles about players fasting, but none about Lamine Yamal doing it. Not even Al Jazeera, TRT, Press TV have sources on this, are they in some sort of conspiracy of silence too? Not even progressive western sources praising him as a black and immigrant origin role model are saying anything about a religion.  Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What you call bizarre is also common in Judaism. There the religion is inherited through the mother, unlike in Islam through the father. Research what criteria apply (also in Wikipedia) to define a person as Jewish. Wikipedia standards must be adhered to, yes I agree with you. "He was holding his hands out" it is the practise of Du'a. But what does this have to do with “living in a free country”? One has nothing in common with the other. Do you know how data about people is collected? Do you explicitly ask each person personally in order to consider the results and facts as representative? The only thing you do is accuse me of being against a free country and against free will just because I categorize a person as Muslim? What you are doing is inhumane, accusing me of such a thing. You won't change facts even if you don't like it.  Yelendo Yelendo (talk) 19:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * মুসলিম 103.111.120.128 (talk) 22:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, Muslim you are right. Yelendo (talk) 10:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2024
Convert citation for citation 11. 64.189.18.52 (talk) 08:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Not done: It's not clear what you want changed. PianoDan (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2024 (2)
Change: a 6 month old Lamine Yamal and his mother where paired with Lionel Messi for a photoshoot

To: a 6 month old Lamine Yamal and his mother were paired with Lionel Messi for a photoshoot 24.113.169.29 (talk) 20:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Annh07 (talk) 21:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Spanish name template
The template is there to say that his name is formatted the Spanish way with two surnames, not that his surname is from Spain. Equally, it would not be the Catalan name template unless there is evidence he formats it the Catalan way with "i" in the middle. This template is helpful because a lot of people think his surname is Yamal. I see no reason to remove it unless people believe he can't be Spanish because his parents are African, which is just a little problematic.

This template doesn't mean his name is from Spain. I see nobody rushing to remove it from Marco Asensio because his second surname is Willemsen, nor from Latin American people with Italian or other surnames. Similarly, we cannot gatekeep what is a Spanish surname (even García is Basque, and so many are Hebrew or Arabic) Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I understand your reasoning. But we will agree that for a reader it can be confusing. The phrase literally says: "In this Spanish name" (and it's not a Spanish name at all). There should be a template that says something similar to: This name have a Spanish naming customs. Panenkazo (talk) 16:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm sure the template did use to say "Spanish naming customs", and that is more accurate, as you point out. If you look up anybody from Russia, the template says their name uses "Eastern Slavic naming customs", instead of calling it an "Eastern Slavic name". As this is the conclusion we have both found, the solution would be changing the template, if possible. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I had no knowledge of the existence of this Russian template. I think there could be a similar template for these cases like Lamine. It would be more accurate. I've opened a discussion on WikiProject Football to find out a bit more about this, setting out both reasons. If you would like to participate that would be great. Panenkazo (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Just wanna know
He sounds Moroccan but is he? 2601:645:D80:FC20:7122:1DB9:EE46:B5AB (talk) 19:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi. The early life section says his father is from Morocco and his mother is from Equatorial Guinea. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

"From Catalonia"
I know there's been some drama about this, especially with a certain sockpuppet who shall not be named, but is there consensus on whether to leave "from Catalonia" in the article? It seems unnecessary since the article already mentions that he's from Barcelona, and the edit that put the phrase in there is from the aforementioned sockpuppet. Ice Cream Sandwich 7 (talk) 04:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The real debate is more of identity than geographical location. The accepted consensus of a 2018 RfC asks for sources identifying the subject as Catalan, for the generally accepted phrasing "Spanish from Catalonia" to be included. A quick search brings up The Guardian (a Catalan teenager), La Monde (the young Catalan), ESPN Aus (This Catalan kid). IDK if he played for the Catalonia youth teams, there's been something of a hiatus, but he promoted them earlier this year. It's up to users to assess if those RS mentions and any secondary information make the identity clear. Kingsif (talk) 05:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This nonsense. Xavi, Busquets, Piqué etc. are all from Catalonia, and no one has it mentioned in the first sentence. Why should we make an exception for Yamal? Mazewaxie  ( talk  •  contribs ) 15:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Different descriptions is not "making an exception", and this discussion will be more productive if you come in with an open mind. It is something we can (and do) do, if there are sources. I don't know if the larger discussions at WP:FOOTY and WP:CATALONIA are still ongoing, but besides reflecting sources, this article has the extra dimension of a sock edit-warring over it. Kingsif (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but in my opinion this will be a pointless discussion, because in the end "from Catalonia" will be removed, it's only a matter of time. There isn't a particular reason that differentiate Yamal from similar situation. Mazewaxie  ( talk  •  contribs ) 06:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Even if there isn't a reason for Yamal to be different to the others, does not mean it will be removed... when we have a pre-existing consensus that this phrasing can be (but is not forced to be) included, there isn't any precedent, and similar cases including it or not is simply whether someone has decided to add it. So, like, you're not presenting a valid argument for removal – in a case when even just "sock did it" would be a valid argument. Kingsif (talk) 10:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

How to refer to Lamine Yamal throughout the article
The article was recently changed to use just "Lamine" to refer to him throughout; convention is to use primary surname, unless there's a common name reason not to. I think we can agree that it would be a bit whiplash to refer to him as "Nasraoui", but then the common name seems to be "Lamine Yamal" together, which doesn't read that well. Are there sources where he is referred to just as "Lamine" or "Yamal", so this can be settled? Kingsif (talk) 05:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What's the style for Cristiano Ronaldo? That seems to be the most obvious comparison. Crowsus (talk) 14:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It uses Ronaldo Kingsif (talk) 15:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd go with Yamal then, people probably think that's his surname anyway so it would not look out of place to use it. [edit] I don't disagree with using what sources say, but there will be many sources referring to "Cristiano Ronaldo", "Cristiano" or "CR7" but at some point Wikipedia has decided on "Ronaldo" so just for the sake of consistency with the double-forename situation it might be good to do likewise. Trying to think of others... "Roberto Carlos" is displayed like that throughout his article but I think it looks a bit awkward typed out again and again (it is used 71 times in the prose), and I would say Brazilian nicknames are a bit more 'official' than European ones (nobody is calling the left-back Carlos), but that's maybe just my perception. Personally my vote would be for "Yamal". Crowsus (talk) 15:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd default to "Yamal", too, I'll update the article - this thread is here for future discussion Kingsif (talk) 21:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)