Talk:Lamy station/Archive 1

Template issue
I have updated the template to account for the Lamy station article location and the unwritten California article. , your change actually made things worse by having Gallup and Irvine link to Lamy (Amtrak station) (that's also fixed now). If no one objects I'm going to move the article back Lamy station, which seems the clear and correct choice. Mackensen (talk) 13:37, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, the previous change had Santa Fe Depot (Rail Runner station) lead to the unwritten article in California, and that's why I brought the old name back. Where the hell does Irvine Transportation Center lead here, and since when is Gallup leading here a bad thing? This is what's wrong with the anti-qualification campaign. -User:DanTD (talk) 13:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the solution to that was to fix the template, not move war with a rude edit summary. There are a dozen editors who could identify the issue and fix it if you weren't comfortable doing it yourself. These templates we've created do not dictate naming conventions. They have no standing in policy. Furthermore, you clearly don't understand how templates work. The change you made caused Gallup to link to Lamy (Amtrak station) instead of Gallup station. That's bad and we don't want that. I think if an "anti-qualification" editor had done that you'd be calling for his head.
 * Now, main idea. This is a large project and we all have to work together. US railway station articles have ignored project naming conventions for years. That's changing now and it's for the better. There will be some bumps in the road with templates while we sort these moves out, but then those bumps will be smoothed over and everything will be fine. Are there any objections to moving this article back to Lamy station, now that the template issues are all addressed? Mackensen (talk) 13:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The template changed automatically when the station was renamed. The previous names, whether for Lamy, Gallup or other Amtrak stations are not bad things. And again, how does Irvine Transportation Center lead to this? Unless there's some other Irvine station I'm missing. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you're not getting it. With your change (which I linked above), Irvine and Gallup became aliases for Lamy. Before, Irvine, Gallup, Lamy, Needles, and Orange all aliased to station (California) This had nothing to do with any moves. Mackensen (talk) 14:25, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You still haven't told me how an Amtrak station in New Mexico being used by a heritage railway between that and a commuter railroad station in New Mexico lead to a station in California. And as I was trying to say before, I tried to fix the template, and it didn't work. You're not doing too much to convince me the current renaming campaign is for the better. -User:DanTD (talk) 14:35, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I have, repeatedly, but you don't understand. I'm sorely tempted to simply reinstate your edit so that stuff will break, but that would be disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. I'm going to walk you through this:

| Gallup | Irvine | Lamy | Needles | Orange= station (California)
 * , like all station templates, uses a switch to determine, based on the given name, what to display.
 * With switches, you can group multiple values if they have the same pattern of output.
 * As of January 20, Lamy was one of five entries which used the format station (California).
 * The five entries were all in a list, like so:
 * The final entry here, Orange= station (California), closes that part of the block. This means if you pass Gallup, Irvine, Lamy, Needles, or Orange to you will get back "Foo station, California."
 * Your change: . Gallup, Irvine, and Lamy are now all part of a block which links to Lamy . Needles and Orange continue to use station (California)

This has nothing to do with the "move campaign." Nothing. This goes to the fundamentals of how s-line templates work. Mackensen (talk) 14:53, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * If this had nothing to do with the move campaign, the ATSF/Santa Fe Southern Railway S-lines at Santa Fe Depot (Rail Runner station) wouldn't have lead to Lamy station (California). This station has nothing to do with any station in California. I couldn't even find any article on a "Lamy, California" let alone any Santa Fe station or any other station there. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed not. Lamy linking to California actually happened back on January 16 because of a change made. It's similar to the mistake you made. I haven't cleared that up yet. As you say, it had nothing to do with this move campaign. My point, which you haven't acknowledged, is that your attempt to fix it actually made things worse. I'm concerned that you apparently don't understand the effect your edit had. Mackensen (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC)