Talk:Lana Del Rey/Archive

Category:People from Windhoek
In the article this isn't mentioned. Where's the verification? -- 79.209.124.220 (talk) 02:28, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Origins of stage name
Have removed the second paragraph suggesting origins of stage name (Lana Turner/ Ford Del Rey). Lana Del Rey is quoted in February 2012 Q magazine as trashing those claims; also, the 3 or 4 references cite absolutely no reference to the stage name origins, and are false. Can we please keep them off the page? FungasUK

The quote about her stage name origin is pure PR fiction, as she's later revealed. In the Feb. 06, 2012 edition of Time, she is quoted by Douglas Wolk as having said her stage name, "came from a series of managers and lawyers over the last five years who wanted a name that they thought better fit the sound of the music." Art Carnage (talk) 16:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I read the full article from Time Magazine, "Not So Fast." It appears the author, Douglas Wolk, obtained the quotation about the origin from her name not directly from the artist and quoted a past interview. I feel in order to post this quote on Wikipedia, someone needs to find the original interview from whence this was published.

The direct source for the quote "Lana Del Rey came from a series of managers and lawyers over the last 5 years who wanted a name that they thought better fit the sound of the music," originated from the following interview from repeatfanzine.co.uk http://www.repeatfanzine.co.uk/interviews/Lana%20Del%20Rey.htm Seadark (talk)

"Kill Kill" album
The information on this album seems scanty. It does not seem to be currently available as a CD or download, but I am listening to it right now on the (legal) streaming service Rara.com. There are 12 tracks, and from the cover picture the title seems to be 'Lan Del Rey', not 'Kill Kill' (which is the first track).86.180.93.43 (talk) 12:33, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

^ Regarding the "Kill Kill" album, I purchased Lana's debut album digitally from Napster back in August, and although it's since been taken down, my copy was actually entitled "Lana Del Ray A.K.A. Lizzy Grant" with a "Ray" instead of the current "Rey." I'm guessing she changed her stage name since the 2010 release, but you are correct that it is a full-fledged LP and not an EP entitled "Kill Kill" (mine actually has 13 tracks). While it's not available for purchase anymore, you can see the album and the tracks on Amazon's digital store here: http://www.amazon.com/Lana-Del-Ray/dp/B0030HGJKU — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.191.188 (talk) 20:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

She released and EP and an Album EP kill kill album Lixxy Grant AKA Lana Del rey. Interview with Lizzy Grants first Label, 5 Points owner David Nichtern:

'What happened was, we first put out an EP under the name Lizzy Grant. She got quite a nice notoriety from that. A guy at Apple, who’s a programmer for the new stuff, he loved it. So we got featured based on the EP as one of the iTunes emerging artists of that year. So that was a very positive circumstance. And then we were moving towards the whole album and that’s when things shifted. She wanted to change her name, got new management, they wanted to change the record. A lot of things happened that made it difficult to figure out exactly what image she was going to have, what she was going to support, and [she] clearly didn’t seem that excited about the record. The manager came in and was insulting about the record, and I thought, “Wow, we’re an indie label, we got David Kahne to produce this record and you’re negative about it.” I think it had some masterful elements to it and a huge amount of work went into it. He worked hard to get the vocals to where he wanted them to be. It was like any of those projects: there was a certain amount of friction between the artist and the producer. I went in a couple of times to kind of make peace. I always asked Lizzy if she was okay with this, does she want to be doing this? And it was emotional, but she did. So all along the way, I told her the right way to go, with the name, but she made certain decisions. That’s why I laugh pretty hard when someone said she was put into an image. There’s no way you can do that with her. She’s very headstrong and knows what she wants. That’s a mistake, too. She wanted to be known as Lana Del Rey pretty early on. That was her name, she cooked that up, I thought it was a little wack. [Laughs.] She was this beautiful young songwriter named Lizzy Grant, it was a cool name. But she wanted to create this thing, Lana Del Rey. We put out the album digitally and at first she wanted it “R-A-Y” and then we did one version of it that way, and then she wanted to change it to “R-E-Y” so that was now the third name we were using to promote that artist. Shortly after that, her and her new manager came in and said “We want to get this off the market. We’re going for a completely new deal. We’ll buy you out of the deal.” So we made a separation agreement."

http://read.mtvhive.com/2012/01/30/lana-del-rey-first-album-5-points-records-interview/ http://musiczeitgeist.com/top-ten-spins-week-february-15th/ http://consequenceofsound.net/2012/01/lana-del-rey-to-release-lost-album/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.44.105 (talk) 11:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Song removed from Itunes, for unknown reason?
in citation 16, there is no reference to her song being removed from Itunes. this should be removed or fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.107.147 (talk) 09:15, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Saturday Night Live?
The article states that Del Rey's performance on Jan. 14, 2012 was under par, flat and unimpressive. It's Jan. 14, 2012, Saturday Night Live is on now, live. Where did these comments come on? A private viewing somewhere? Though it's obvious that Del Rey is a manipulated product of her father, the girl looks like a young Marianne Faithful (good), and sounds like an old Marianne Faithful (gritty but palpable). I simply question the review of a live show that hasn't aired yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muse55 (talk • contribs) 05:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you think it was magic?137.111.13.200 (talk) 23:32, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

The quote at the end of the section from Del Rey says she defended herself. However, the quote was said before she performed, according to the source. I can't find an article after the performance where she talks about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matchgame72 (talk • contribs) 12:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It was flat and unimpressive when I saw it. It almost confirmed my suspicions about Liz Grant's studio-based/post production singing "talent". Whether or not the original poster saw an advanced private screening doesn't really change my mind about this manufactured pop star. --98.119.14.40 (talk) 17:51, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Correction: Confirmed Fordham University Alumnus (Not a "Drop out")
Article states Lana Del Rey "dropped out" of Fordham University yet the cited article does not confirm this statement. Fordham University has verified Lizzie Grant (a.k.a. Lana Del Rey) graduated from the institution in 2008 with a Bachelor's Degree in Philosophy.

Also, in her interview with GQ Magazine Lana Del Rey speaks of Fordham and does not mention she dropped out. This Wikipedia page of individuals who have graduated from Fordham University, though it is peripheral to the University's main page, also bears the artist's name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stayplus22 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Corrected. Even the source that was given didn't mention dropping out. I call shenanigans.  The Interior  (Talk) 16:42, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Video Games
Video Games reached No. 6 in Ireland... Born To Die up to No. 12... Source is the given one! --79.199.37.152 (talk) 14:37, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: The source in the chart under IRE seems to agree with the chart. Do you mean some other source when you say "the given one"? Please provide the source here on the talk page for clarity. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Updated.--Cinemantique (talk) 15:53, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Video Games is Gold in AUS http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display.asp?chart=1U50

Please add that! --79.199.20.45 (talk) 13:45, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Letterman appearance
For the sake of balance, I think it's important the article mention that her followup US TV appearance on David Letterman was much more positively reviewed and received than her SNL appearance. See, for example, Time Magazine's website here which cites a number of non-trivial sources (plus Time itself is non-trivial). 68.146.72.113 (talk) 16:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Other Charting Songs
... in France: No. 56 Summertime Sadness, No. 67 Radio, http://www.chartsinfrance.net/charts/singles.php,p5 Please add them! --79.199.31.75 (talk) 23:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Please express the change you want in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

2010: Lana Del Ray A.K.A. Lizzy Grant
This whole section is too biased and has ignored the other facts stated in that interview that Lana del rey was offered a deal and pulled out of the label 5points after buying out the rights to the album in 2010. David Kahne [producer] also stated that this had happened in an interview. Her father is wealthy it's quite easy to find out the value of his companies.

'Contrarily, according to 5 Points owner Dave Nichtern, he "always thought she had potential to have a major breakthrough. That’s why we signed her in the first place".[25] According to Nichtern, Del Rey was a college senior when she first came to the label, "and was playing plunky little acoustic guitar. She would ride around on the subways all night sometimes, writing lyrics and stuff like that."[25] In a February 2012 interview with MTV, Nichtern also stated that Grant had "wanted to be known as Lana Del Rey very early on", and that there "was a lot of misinformation" about the fruition of her first record. He also stated that the media insinuations about Del Rey being backed by her "millionaire father" were "a bunch of crap",[26] further stating:

"Her father never had anything to do financially with supporting her creativity. I don’t know if he was lending her money to live off of, but at least when she was with us, not a penny. I don’t know if he’s rich or not; I met him and he seemed like a pretty ordinary guy. But that whole thing that she was backed by her millionaire dad is a bunch of crap, basically. Certain facts about the record she did with us are completely misshapen.

Agree this edit is incorrect, it's just a random paragraph taken from an interview and is out of context. It is not in contrary to the previous paragraph. David Nichtern actually confirms what David Kahne said in the paragraph, that Lizzy Grant bought them out in a new contract they drew up on her request in April 2010.

It appears who ever made this edit made it in a biased way avoiding anything that might show Grant in a negative light.

If you read the interview with Lizzy Grants dad Rob Grant [30] he actually states he helped helped market his daughters first album as he used to be an advertising guru on Madison Ave before Grant was born.

Deneuve15 (talk) 15:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Grant bought the rights to the album in April 2010 not recently, this is spin control
In January 2012, Del Rey revealed that she recently bought back the rights to her 2010 album Lana Del Ray A.K.A. Lizzy Grant and will re-release it in the Summer of 2012 under Interscope Records and Polydor.[48]

This is incorrect her previous producer and previous label have both said Grant and her management bought the rights to the album in April 2010 3 months after it had been put up on itunes as another deal was offered to her, they insisted that all trace be removed of the album, they didn't want any reference to it anywhere, it was written in a new contract and they were following up on it weekly:source;

http://read.mtvhive.com/2012/01/30/lana-del-rey-first-album-5-points-records-interview/ http://www.billboard.com/features/lana-del-rey-the-billboard-cover-story-1005869152.story#/features/lana-del-rey-the-billboard-cover-story-1005869152.story 188.220.44.105 (talk) 14:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

This should be corrected the contract for the rights to the first album were drawn up in April 2010, two years ago is not recent, so the rights were not recently acquired.

http://read.mtvhive.com/2012/01/30/lana-del-rey-first-album-5-points-records-interview/ Deneuve15 (talk) 15:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Awards and nominations
MTV Brand New for 2012 is not Pending the results came out a while ago. Conor Maynard won — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.44.105 (talk) 14:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

http://www.mtv.co.uk/tam/news/345133-mtv-uk-announces-online-sensation-conor-maynard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.44.105 (talk) 12:02, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Lanas Nationality
On The Brit Awards 2012 (Like the Grammys) Lana was award The Best International Breakthrough Act. Said she wasnt American and was just 'based' in New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.28.197.33 (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 March 2012
In the last para, 'Grants press statement' needs an apostrophe: Grant's

Actually, it's missing in other places too... Grant's father etc.

123.243.183.134 (talk) 08:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ - with this edit:. I must be getting a bit blind in my old age, though, I can't see the "Grant's father" one at all (I think I looked at all 23 instances of Grant, and couldn't see another one needing an apostrophe)... Begoon &thinsp; talk  08:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 April 2012
Controversy Surrounding Del Rey

After it was discovered that Del Rey's new look and name weren't always her own, backlash surrounded the artist. Arguments have been made that Lana is a fabricated persona rather than artist and simply the result of clever marketing.

"She was basically a failed mainstream artist who is being 'rebranded' behind major label dollars," read a scathing piece on the Hipster Runoff blog in September, claiming to "expose" the singer's past. (Ohnotheydidn't.livejournal.com)(http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65243890.html#ixzz1qqcr6nCm)

On the other side of things on January 30, 2012 Spin.com launched an article addressing the public's concerned and defending Del Rey:

"The myth, as it is presently understood: Lana Del Rey is an extended vanity project bankrolled by her dad's money and honed, over the years, by a series of lawyers and managers who have shaped her image and plotted her career path. She is merely a canvas of a girl, and a willing one at that. Bloggers and journalists take pains to note that her real name is Lizzy Grant, that Lana Del Rey is "fake," as are her lips. ("Lizzy Grant" sounds like a Disney tween star; it's easy to see why she changed it. Certainly no one was this incensed to discover that "Lady Gaga" is not printed on a certain singer's birth certificate.)"

Kdoccc (talk) 02:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Blogs are not RS. Celestra (talk) 14:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Sirens
It should be deleted from discography section. It hasn't been confirmed as Lana's album, and even if it is(which is probably true), it was released under the name of May Jailer, so it's kind of side project, not official Lana's album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.10.123.62 (talk) 16:18, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess that depends on whether the article covers all Lizzie Grant's musical aliases, or only those under the name Lana Del Rey. If the latter, then perhaps there ought to be a separate article for Elizabeth Grant covering all her musical career. RGCorris (talk) 19:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The article covers all of Elizabeth Grant's aliases, but Sirens was never released, thus it being under unreleased section.--MrIndustry (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Tour
It think there should be a section or an entire article for her tour since she has been touring since last September. The past and upcoming tour dates can be found here: 2011: http://www.lanadelrey.com/live/2011 2012 (past): http://www.lanadelrey.com/live/2012 Upcoming: http://www.lanadelrey.com/live --teammathi 15:21, 15 June 2012 (CET) I have begun writing the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Teammathi/sandbox --teammathi 19:15, 18 June 2012 (CET)
 * I agree with this section as most artists have separate pages for their Wiki's. Although I'm not sure if the page should be Born to Die Tour unless that's what it's being called?--MrIndustry (talk) 18:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Full protection
In light of the recent dispute accompanied by comments in the edit history such as "I'm literally going to keep reverting this", I am fully protecting this page until the issue is resolved. I have protected a version of the page that does not include the material which it is suggested is not supported by reliable sources. This should not be taken as an endorsement of that version - I have done so because this is a biography of a living person and as such it pays to be cautious. Once a consensus has been reached as to whether the material should be included, please request unprotection of the page. WJBscribe (talk) 12:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You can open it back up. The problem has been resolved. --MrIndustry (talk) 01:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Born to Die: Paradise Edition
Why does Born to Die: Paradise Edition have it's own section? I propose that we add it to 2011–present: Breakthrough and Born to Die and just call that section 2011–present: Breakthrough, Born to Die and Born to Die: Paradise Edition because I don't think this new album deserves it's own section. Please share your opinion. teammathi 15:03, 29 July 2012 (CET)


 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Closed the request, you need a Wp:RFC here. Mdann52 (talk) 16:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Since nobody has commented on this, I'll just merge the two sections. teammathi 0:54, 7 August 2012 (CET)

May Jailer
I deleted this as an AKA, as it was unsourced, aparently since someone removed the Sirens bit. Someone restored it. I killed it again. If it is going to go in, it needs a wp:RS as this is wp:BLP. One possible source: http://popcrush.com/lana-del-rey-may-jailer-sirens-album/. If it is an AKA for a wp:wellknown (sorry article/link moved or I can't remember) person, sourcing should be easy. If not, it doesn't belong.User talk:Unfriend12 15:50, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Del Rey recorded the album Sirens as May Jailer.:
 * http://www.spinner.com/2012/05/31/lana-del-rey-may-jailer/
 * http://www.nme.com/news/lana-del-rey/64117
 * http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/77282/LISTEN-Unheard-Lana-Del-Rey-Album-Leaks-Online-
 * http://www.digitalspy.com/music/news/a384853/lana-del-reys-may-jailer-sirens-album-leaks-in-full.html
 * http://www.thestrut.com/2012/05/31/lana-del-reys-first-album-sirens-leaks/
 * teammathi 18:01, 5 August 2012 (CET)
 * See...wp:BLP, and add a wp:RS, or you should revert your addition.User talk:Unfriend12 15:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Also... refs on talk pages mangle the page badly... just putting them in as links works.User talk:Unfriend12 16:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Those sources are reliable. teammathi 18:09, 5 August 2012 (CET)
 * The talk page does not need sourcing, the article does.User talk:Unfriend12 16:05, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For readability of the talk page (which should not need a refs section, it would be ideal if you would remove the refs, leaving teh links. If not, unless you have an objection, I'll remove the ref and /ref bits, leaving the links in your post, and kill the refs section, which does not belong on a talk page, in general.User talk:Unfriend12 18:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you really find the refs that bothering? teammathi 21:38, 5 August 2012 (CET)
 * Nope, just experience.User talk:Unfriend12 20:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Entertainmentwise.com seems to be a valid source, but the others use question marks or "allegedly". Peter&#160;James (talk) 17:07, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Sirens article
Should there be an article about Del Rey's unreleased album Sirens? I have started writing an article but I'm not sure if it is notable enough. Please give me you opinion. Here is the article as I've written it so far: Sirens (May Jailer album). Maybe the article should be called Sirens (unreleased Lana Del Rey album)... teammathi 21:09, 9 August 2012 (CET)
 * You could probably make the article, but I would honestly just add the info to the description on List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs because I wouldn't believe we'd have enough info to properly fill out the article. Also, we wouldn't be able to list the album on the main article because the it was never released.--MrIndustry (talk) 04:59, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, I just did that. teammathi 23:11 10 August 2012 (CET)
 * List of songs recorded by Lana Del Rey has now replaced List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs RGCorris (talk) 16:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really as a lot of info was left off. We'd still like to collect details to expand a detailed list like List of unreleased Britney Spears songs.--MrIndustry (talk) 19:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Is she still signed to Stranger records
As of 17 / 10 / 2011 at least she still appears to be on their books http://strangerrecords.com/#section_03releases_2011-10-17_lana_del_rey_video_games Sometime in August 2012 Stranger Records confirmed a continuation of Mercury partnership who are another sub-label of Universal Music Group http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/stranger-confirms-continuation-of-mercury-partnership/, as are Polydor & Interscope who now distribute her records. Is she still signed to Stranger Records, she still was signed to them when she released Video Games up to 17 / 10 / 2011 at least after the date she is supposed to have signed to Universal/Polydor/Interscope http://strangerrecords.bigcartel.com/product/lana-del-rey-video-games-7-pre-order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scratchy7929 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Listing EP's
Lady Gaga has Fame Monster listed on her page. Should we list EP's? --MrIndustry (talk) 18:17, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Lady Gaga only the EP The Fame Monster listed on her page even though that was her third one. If we would list EPs I think we should list all of them. I don't know if there's a rule for this. I just deleted Paradise from Del Rey's "Discography" section because only her albums were listed. teammathi (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we should leave Kill Kill off as all the songs are now on other albums and just list Paradise. But I'm not sure what the actual rule/precedent is?--MrIndustry (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

new interview resurfaced
This interview could be used to add a lot of stuff. Such as her terms, lips, trailer home, elvis references, performing, etc. http://www.indexmagazine.com/interviews/Lizzy_grant2.shtml --MrIndustry (talk) 20:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome find. I think this The Huffington Post interview circa-Kill Kill would be an invaluable resource for this article. Check it out. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/felicia-c-sullivan/interview-singersongwrite_b_159346.html --Thevampireashlee (talk) 23:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Quote farm
This article is shaping up nicely, but I'm afraid it's largely a quote farm. We need to paraphrase some of these direct phrasings to avoid possible copyright violations, I think. The article also feels relatively small given the bulk of information on the internet about her. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 03:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC)