Talk:Lana Turner/Archive 1

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 22:18, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hollywood High - relationship with Joseph Wapner
My mother knew Lana Turner at Hollywood High School. I saw Joseph Wapner's name in her 1935 Poinsettia (yearbook) and when I Googled for their names, I found several sites that mentioned them to have been boyfriend/girlfriend, including the one I chose for the reference.

Greg 00:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Syphilis
The rumor that Howard Hughes gave her syphilis - even if nothing but a rumor - is too grave to be repeated without solid citation of source. I have removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.249.96.149 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
In Nina Simone's classic song "My Baby Just Cares for Me", it states, "Liz Taylor is not his style And even Lana Turner's smile Something he can't see My baby don't care who knows it My baby just cares for me" Rakash Singh September 24,2007

Hair color
What was Lana Turner's natural hair color? (In Dancing Co-Ed her character is referred to as a redhead.) Robert K S (talk) 06:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair use issue
Someone sometime (I'm not sure when/who) added this comment to the article:
 * NOTE TO EDITORS: Do not replace Image:Lana Turner in The Postman Always Rings Twice trailer.jpg with any fair use images. Any fair use photos (i.e. promotional photos) are copyright violations and will be deleted. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair use criteria

I've just removed it as:
 * 1) "Fair use photos" are not necessarily "copyright violations". See Copyrights: "In some cases, fair use guidelines may allow an image to be used irrespective of any copyright claims."
 * 2) Fair use criteria is just a redirect link, which bounces to Non-free content criteria. (And why is it a full URL anyway?)

--Jeremy Butler 13:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Birth year
Some sources state 1920, others 1921. There is no ref for her birth year on this article; can someone provide one? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 06:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

So the thieves removed his shoe, then took of the dead man's sock in order to steal the money inside it...?
It says in the article that Lana Turner's father won some money which he put in his left sock. Then it goes on to say, "He was later found dead... his left sock missing." Does that mean that the thief removed the dead man's shoe, then his sock, to get at the money? Seems unlikely to me. Maybe it means that her father took his own shoe off, then his left sock, then put his shoe back on, and used the removed sock to put his money in. Maybe all the thief had to do was pull the left sock out of the dead man's pocket, with the money in it.

This all sounds so unlikely. How does nonsense like this become part of the story, even if it is in some record somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.172 (talk) 11:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's reported in two printed sources, including the Wayne book referred to a sentence or so later. I don't know why a robber would have wanted to remove and destroy evidence -- fingerprints?  Anyway, the criterion for Wikipedia is "verifiability not truth" so I've added the references.  Kenilworth Terrace (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

So Where Did Turner REALLY grow up??
My mother, who was born a year before Turner (1920) in San Francisco, maintained she and Turner were school mates at George Washington High School in San Francisco in the outer Richmond District. This calls into question both the statement that she went to Hollywood High and that her father was killed in the Potrero District, which is considerably distant from Washington High School. In fact, my father, who grew up on Potrero Hill, went to Mission High School, which served student living in the Potrero. Records at Washington High School and/or Hollywood High School, might confirm one or the other school as the one she attended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.2.244 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The article describes her father dying when she was young and her moving to LA when she was 10. That explains how her dad could have been found dead in Dogpatch without her having attended a SF high school. Your mother might be remembering a different celebrity who attended GW High in the late 30s. I'm not sure how your father's high school or home neighborhood help with this.


 * Pending specific citations that Turner also lived in San Francisco as a teen, I think we should leave both articles alone. 75.37.16.224 (talk) 09:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Birth name
Julia Jean Mildred Frances Turner or Julia Jean Turner?

Julia Jean Mildred Frances Turner
etc. etc.
 * Britannica (though it says FrancIs).
 * [www.cmgww.com/stars/turner/biography.htm The Official Lana Turner Web Site]
 * NY Times obit
 * The New Biographical Dictionary of Film Fifth Edition
 * Life - 23 December 1940 - Page 63
 * Who's who at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer., 1944, Page 28

Julia Jean Turner

 * Turner's autobiography says her birth certificate says....

Does anything else specifically exclude "Mildred Francis"?

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC).

Cfdc49 (talk) 06:15, 18 June 2015 (UTC) About the Mildred Frances addition. First, I am a cousin to Lana Turner. In her paperback edition, page 14, there is an explanation. She went to a Catholic church in Stockton with a family named Hislops. She indicated "The ritual thrilled me so that, I wanted to convert, and my mother agreed. I had originally been christened Julia Jean and now I needed some saints' names.  I chose Frances-actually Mildred Frances-after my mother." Anybody wants to add that, be my guest. Wikipedia is becoming too difficult for me to enter stuff - and apologize now to Rich Farmbrough if I've stepped on your space. Cfdc49 (talk) 06:15, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't have a "space" - well I try not to! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC).


 * ✅ - I have assumed that the paperpack edition you refer to is the same one I found details for. If not please correct the details. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC).


 * ngrams All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:44, 18 June 2015 (UTC).

Anatomy of a Murder
It might be mentioned that Lana was cast in "Anatomy of a Murder" but walked off the set because she and the director, Otto Preminger, fought over costumes. 50.202.81.2 (talk) 21:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Newspapers.com as "open access"?
Several citations in this article tag newspapers.com as "open access." However, the site is only open access insofar as it offers a free trial before you have to subscribe. Should these open access tags be changed to a paywall tag? --Jeremy Butler (talk) 12:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems tagging Newspapers.com citations as open access is fairly standard as it has appeared in numerous other articles, so I formatted it that way. You are correct about the free trial, though the text of the newspaper page is available to read in OCR format, which is not always entirely accurate--but it's there. I'm curious as to whether or not there is an official consensus on this and whether or not the availability of the OCR qualifies it as an open access link. In any event, the newspaper citations themselves are stand alone, whether retrieved from Newspapers.com or the physical paper itself. --Drown Soda (talk) 09:54, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Right you are! After picking up on the Newspapers.com "open access" tag here, I started noticing it in other articles, too. It's weird, because, as you say, the only text available for free is the OCR and that can be dicey. I hate it when a Google search lists Newspapers.com results as I know they'll be marginally helpful. Usually, I don't even bother trying to read them. How can we track down consensus on this, if it exists? Oh, and you're also right about the citations standing on their own. I just wish there were another online source besides Newspapers.com. --Jeremy Butler (talk) 11:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I found more info about Newspapers.com on this Wikipedia article about signing up for a free subscription. Apparently, there is a "clipping" function on Newspapers.com that makes an article available for open access (see below). Perhaps only links to articles that have been "clipped" should be tagged "open access"? --Jeremy Butler (talk) 12:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Using the "Clipping" function: "Both Newspapers.com and The Wikipedia Library would prefer that articles citing Newspapers.com link to clippings. Clippings allow Newspapers.com subscriber-editors to identify particular articles, extract them from the original full sheet newspaper and share them through unique URLs. Thus readers who click on a Newspapers.com Clipping link will be able to access that particular article, and the full page of the paper if they come from the clipping, without needing to subscribe to Newspapers.com. Clippings can be deleted by the user who created the clipping, but otherwise remain permanently open access, even when user accounts expire. For more information about how to use clippings, follow this link."
 * I found an example of a "clipped" article. Would you agree that citations of Newspaper.com articles that have not been "clipped" should have their "open access" tag removed? --Jeremy Butler (talk) 12:15, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * this is interesting; I agree that it would make most sense to apply open access tags to clipped articles. I currently have a subscription to Newspapers.com but have yet to discover/use this feature. I will look more into it and see if I can clip the articles cited to make them all available in their original (non-OCR) form. --Drown Soda (talk) 12:30, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have just used the clip feature for the first time; it was under my nose and is very easy to use. I will start clipping the newspaper sources here so they can be read by readers without Newspaper.com subscriptions--the feature that allows them to view the entire page when linked to a clipping is something I did not know about. --Drown Soda (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Excellent! That is really the best solution--to cite open-access clipped articles. --Jeremy Butler (talk) 21:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Tom and Jerry
Is it true that Tom and Jerry's white cats were based on her? 14.221.119.189 (talk) 16:18, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Attempting to prepare for FA review
I've worked on this article for a year or so now consistently, and am hoping to get it to featured status. I am wondering if any editors here would provide any feedback before I attempt another FA review submission. I feel it is in solid shape, despite some comments made by unregistered users; i.e. a 9 February edit summary from stating: "Too many grammatical, writing and style errors to elaborate. These articles should really be edited by professional writers before they are published. Instead, we now have a bottomless pit of poorly written articles that are the butts of jokes."

This same editor deleted the inflation modules on some monetary information in the article, summarizing: "Do not reference the value of something from previous years in more recent years; in this case, 2018. People will still be reading this article in many years to come and that reference itself will be outdated. If a person is interested in knowing the current value of something from years ago, they can research that information easily in their current day, whenever that is." I find this absurd given that these modules self-generate the inflation based on current data, and are updated each year; this leads me to believe the editor is unfamiliar with Wikipedia, but perhaps I'm wrong. Their comments have me second-guessing if the article is really in as bad of shape as they seem to think it is, and would like other opinions before I try and move it further along. --Drown Soda (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)