Talk:Lancaster, California

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Let it be known that on November 25, 2003 the new monster server passed through Lancaster, California on its way to Wikipedia computer HQ.

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History Section coming soon.... --Anon 06:49, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Those messages are a bit difficult to decipher.

hopiakuta 16:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Who's the douchenozzle Republican who keeps burying facts about Lancaster? ARNOLD RODIO WAS THE FIRST MAYOR, NOT KLIENER! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertbob (talk • contribs) 05:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Lancaster
It looks like the business bureau has written this description of Lancaster for Wikipedia. There needs to be mention of a few of the social ills Lancaster has. Which are many. There is a lot of gang activity. There is a lot of drug use. It may say on paper that a majority own their own homes, but a lot of these homes are rented out. People buy the homes cheap and then rent them which does nothing for neighborhood cohesion let alone appearance. There is a lot of dumping. Lancaster is low-rent; it feels that way and looks that way. Get real. - signed by anon IP

Indeed, "Car Wreck" Parris, the "big frog in a little pond" lawyer and mayor, has had his minions policing Wackypedia, weeding out all the bad stuff that is true. Lancaster is listed as one of the 100 most dangerous cities in the US, and its principle industry right now is welfare. The place is a sewer by anyones' standards except for the ghetto trash that are moving in here every month in a flotilla of U-Hauls. All these latest "fluff" edits MUST be regressed back to the real truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertbob (talk • contribs) 05:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Lancaster and its neighbor Palmdale are victims of its own success as a "cheap" housing tract and the economic downturns it suffered seems to be stronger felt than in L.A. or the coast/beach cities. Many real estate property prices are low because it has "no scenery" (facing north is flatland and desolate), and the reputation of Lancaster-Palmdale as a hotbed of biker gangs, far-rightists, Neo-Nazi skinheads, meth labs in homesteads, antisocial types, paroled sex offenders and mentally ill patients on halfway house supervision. Lancaster has lots of rural outskirts: trailer parks, boarded up homes, decrepit apartment "duplexes" and a sense of isolation seems to attract an "underclass" element fleeing rising home prices in L.A. in the last quarter a century, and same goes to Palmdale, the city known for "gang wars" and "bored out kids" by parents driving 60 miles to work in slave-wage "to be laidoff" jobs. To be honest, I don't hate Lancaster, Palmdale or the general High Desert area, there's a need to improve living standards, create more good-paying jobs (not just NASA or US Armed forces) and to take civic pride in making the Antelope Valley "their home" not a "welfare project" or an abandoned middle-class suburban community it has become in a short 30 years time. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 01:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

i live in lancaster plz ask me about it. i live near 60th W and Ave L. I dont get out much because it's a hell hole though. btw why am i one out of two comments here??
 * You should get out more...it really isn't that much of a hell hole...and QH is actually quite nice (except during flood season!) Akradecki 14:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What? Why? I don't think he'd wanna get freaking SHOT. How can you say that when it's a cesspool of gang activity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.199.76 (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Quartz Hill used to be a great place to live when it had groves, fields, ranches, cleaner air, a sense of openness, a sense of community and wasn't viewed as a "downscale" place to relocate street gangsters. My how it has changed since 1988-89 in the first decade of the real estate "boom" when homes costed on average $150,000 (cheap) before it inflated 3 times the price and only came crashing down since the real estate bubble burst in 2006-07. Quartz Hill is where I heard stories of white and black, Latino and Asian, Jewish and Christian, and conservative and liberal neighbors are accusing each other for the decline of community, which is like a repeat of what taken place in South-central L.A. with Compton, Inglewood, Lynwood and Willowbrook in the 1960's/70's all over. Youth gangs moved up to Quartz Hill in 1990-95, since the poverty-stricken families received (bad) home loans and the impact of L.A. riots of 1992 drove out large numbers of blacks, followed by Mexican immigration arrived as housing construction workers and finally the reactionary rural white stereotypes complained loudly on Quartz Hill is now "ghetto". I find it tragic and ironic on what taken place in Lancaster/ Palmdale when suburban "escapees" in the 80s were followed by the things they feared. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

There used to be a subheading mentioning the Jethawks and a picture of the stadium. Where did they go? Whomever edited this article needs to go and put that info back on the page. It is an important part of Lancaster and possibly an important reference point for the city for outsiders. Someone should also go and get a photo of the fairgrounds as well.

The info is still there, it's in the Recreation and culture section. The JetHawks is such a small paragraph linking to their own wikipedia article that a separate heading isn't really appropriate. Good point on the stadium pic, though, I think I've got one that I can add. Will have to go dig it out. Akradecki 19:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Please remember that Wikipedia strives to offer information from a neutral point of view. This is a place to report facts, rather than to offer your opinion on them; the point of the article is not to give vent to anyone's opinion for whether, or why, or how, the city has troubles. There are things about our community I'm not happy about either, but this is not the forum for airing those grievances.198.72.160.7 (talk) 13:42, 22 April 2016 (UTC)Burt Likko

Ethnic demographics
(moving question erroneously posted at top to here: Where is the ethnic make-up of the city that should be in the Demographics section?

213.118.140.70 21:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Come up with some citeable references and add it....that's what "anyone can edit" means! Akradecki 02:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Can someone tell me where the facts behind this statement reside. "but since the 1980s was a destination for African Americans, most represented in upper-incomes and middle-class families" Additionally, it would be nice to not have such a sugar coating on this page. It reads like it is written the the city council and the chamber of commerce. What about the a section on local economy that list the prison, challenger juvenile hall, the county immigrant detention center. What the the fact that we have a higher concentration of Section 8 housing than anywhere in the county? Or that we have relocated Bloods and Crips street gangs? This is supposed to be a factual, objective, website, and if this page is any indication of the sugar coating that goes on, then is calls into question all the rest of the content on this site. I honestly believed that it was more acurate then what has been portrayed on this page. I would be happy to do the research and add the "other half of the story" as it where. --Robertl3rd 15:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The "other half" of the story would certainly be appropriate as long as you cite references. For instance, the Section 8 issue is a good one, but do you have a reference that supports your statement that we have a higher concentration? You are correct in that there's a lot of unreferenced material in this article. I've not had the time to go and dig out refs to support it, but I have tried to stem the flow of new unreferenced material. Akradecki 22:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC) (from J and 15th East)


 * Agreed on the sugar coating and tight control; the article seems to be actively policed by someone. I made what I thought was a very positive mention of the dog park on M & 30th West was removed within a few hours because apparently some booster doesn't want the rest of the world to know that there's a dog park there.  Burt Likko


 * The editors could well taken offense and removed the controversial entries in regards to the racial makeup or socioeconomic profile of Lancaster, indeed has a large number of those under the poverty line. The percentage of African-Americans hover around 20-25 percent, with Latinos at 35 percent (or higher to 40) and the remainder being White/Anglo/European (if the Asian-American percentage was included) is at 50 percent or half the city's population in the year 2006. In the 1980's & 90s due to its proximity to Edwards Air Force Base and US Air force plant 42 (now the Palmdale Airport), a large wave of political war refugees from Asia, Latin America and eastern Europe settled in the central district of Lancaster. The Vietnamese, Cambodians, Thais and Laotians; then Guatemalans, Salvadorans, Hondurans and Nicaraguans of Central America; and now Bosnians, Kosovars, Romanians and Serbians moved in to establish an ethnically diverse community. Lancaster/Palmdale is a very large commuting suburb and with a presence of high-technology firms, you have other nationalities and Asian-Americans known to formed a segment of employent in aviation/aerospace industries involving NASA and US Air force plants, though in a huge decline in the 2000's in a place known for high unemployment rates. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 01:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Income info
Is this really believable, considering ACS estimates 22% of the population living in poverty in 2006? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.170.110 (talk) 20:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Time would tell Lancaster and Palmdale will become a much impoverished majority community the same way the original suburbs south and east of L.A. went through in the mid 20th century. First it was northern Long Beach and El Monte, then Norwalk and Inglewood facing L.A. city limits, following Orange County's largest older post-war suburbs like central Anaheim and Santa Ana, and recently Fontana and Moreno Valley in the Inland Empire, with Oxnard and Santa Paula in Ventura county...became poorer, more urban blighted and foreclosed homes turned to rentals for welfare receipent families. The fastest growing cities in Southern California are now the eastern Coachella Valley, Victorville/Apple Valley, the Santa Maria area away from the ocean and the serious poverty-stricken Kern County and Imperial Valley facing the border. The trend for "great place to live" to morph into that of poverty and unemployment with broken families and racial strife. Don't get me started on San Diego, anyone living within 5 miles of the beach north of National City and south of Carlsbad must be living well, and some locals praise the construction of a border fence at the port of entry in San Ysidro as the best way to keep out "Mexicans". Now drive up 30 miles north to Escondido, San Marcos and Vista, and you're gonna be surprised the pre-Depression and post-WWII-era neighborhoods had become. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 01:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Civic commercial
Hope this is the place to add this.

Can some one add info about: Civic Commercial: "Grooves" In September of 2008, we carved grooves into a quarter mile stretch of asphalt on the outskirts of Lancaster, CA. The goal was to create an experience that embodied the connection Civic drivers feel with the road. Did it work? How’d we do it? What was the song? Watch and learn. Not sure where to put it? Recreation?

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/videos.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.83.179 (talk) 01:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This information is already in the article. It is the last paragraph under Recreation and culture. Alanraywiki (talk) 02:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

History
In 1930 I believe it was the US Army that began flight testing and bombing pracitce. The US Air Force did not come into existance until after WWII. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.125.102.2 (talk) 20:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Lancaster, CA is not on the list of 100 Most Dangerous Cities at the link described which was in 2008. http://os.cqpress.com/Crime%20State%202008_Most%20Dangerous.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesrist (talk • contribs) 06:05, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * In 2010, the area composed of Lancaster, Palmdale, Victorville and Barstow (the so-called High Desert of California) leads the state in real estate price declines and mass housing foreclosures. The population growth was attributed not only to long-distance freeway commuters in the Los Angeles basin, it came from construction workers arriving from Mexico, one reason for a high percentage of Latinos in the Antelope-Victor valleys when the demand was high in the early 1990s and mid 2000s. 71.102.12.55 (talk) 08:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Pre-incorporation Lancaster appeared inside the Thomas Bros. Maps logo on the first page of the L.A. County 1970 edition. Lancaster Boulevard is covered in pink (Lancaster) and the green swath of land below (Palmdale?. But the section was known as "Antelope Village", but Palmdale was in orange in 1960's TBM pages, so it wasn't Palmdale. The community of Dennis on Sierra Highway located between them and Palmdale was unincorporated, unless there was two Lancasters or Lancaster and Dennis disincorporated in the 1970's. http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g224/Bigmikelakers/IMG_0011-1.jpg[/img]

"Dennis" is a misspelling of the Southern Pacific spur and siding named "Denis" that feeds (or used to feed) Lockheed's Plant 10 and the rest of Plant 42. Since there's no manufacturing going on at any plant anymore, the spur has been inactive for years, just like the one north of Ave I that used to serve a mill. Union Pacific recently ripped out the crossing at Division St. and removed the rails east of there. Reason? No more industry (meaning jobs) here...all welfare and Section 8. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertbob (talk • contribs) 06:12, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I knew Palmdale was less populated and was formed earlier in 1962, but experienced massive population loss between 1964 and 1969 out of fear that the nearby San Andreas Fault would rupture and the Palmdale Bulge geological phenomena was thought to predict a Mag. 8+ tremor, and the 1969 new age psychic prediction of L.A. was gonna get hit...never happened. Palmdale and Lancaster would experience rapid population growth later.71.102.26.168 (talk) 04:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The map page reads "Middleton", but I cannot say for sure there was a city of Middleton or not, the pink shaded area should be Lancaster and the green shaded area should be Antelope Village. 68.190.254.86 (talk) 20:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Inland Empire
Isn't Lancaster is considered to be part of the Inland Empire? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.10.152 (talk) 01:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope, it's the High Desert region. Inland Empire covers the San Bernardino county part of the Mojave desert, and includes Riverside county. I heard of other terms like Desert Empire for the Imperial area, Golden empire for the San Joaquin valley and Mountain empire for San Diego county. There's even a Coastal Kingdom for the Central coast of california from Monterey Bay or Santa Cruz down to santa Barbara or Ventura county. Regionalisms for Southern California and that Lancaster and Palmdale are High Desert are well known to locals and anyone familiar of the subject. 68.190.254.86 (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Economy
The article contradicts itself....in the section entitled economy, it cites 70% home ownership, but the US Census info cites owner occupied homes at 60%. Also think lots of this article sounds like an advert... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.225.61 (talk) 15:51, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

This article is a puff piece concocted by "Car Wreck" Parris and his small biz buddies. The city is a sewer, and a ghetto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertbob (talk • contribs) 05:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

California State Prison, Los Angeles County (LAC)
An editor added a paragraph about a prison in Lancaster. One of the sources, by Denis Wolcott, could not be confirmed, so I only added information by the source that could be confirmed. As well, this prison has its own article; it does not need a category of it's own on this article, or such a lengthy entry. Magnolia677 (talk) 05:19, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Lancaster State prison
The above editor did not add a thing but deleted much that has good references and has long been sourced in the article about the prison. We are dealing with an editor who history shows a lengthy history of reverting IP editors with very little reasoning given. Frequent reverting of articles which an editor has little knowledge or interest often leads to sloppy edits as above. The article edit is an obvious attempt to minimize the prison from the history of the city. It was not even mentioned in the article about the city of Lancaster which is quite surprising to not find a state prison mentioned. The history section also is labeled as written like a tourist brochure and the editor Magnolia has done nothing to improve the article and has actually helped maintain the tourist brochure style. 172.56.31.136 (talk) 06:44, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Kindly focus discussion on the content under dispute, not on the editors involved nor any unrelated issues with the article.—Stepheng3 (talk) 09:27, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

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LA Aqueduct Water
Because the Los Angeles Aqueduct is a city owned utility, Lancaster cannot be a beneficiary of an improved water supply coming from the aqueduct. Water passing through LAA1 and LAA2 benefits only the city of Los Angeles. However, Lancaster may have benefited from the State California Aqueduct.

"The construction of the Los Angeles Aqueduct, starting in 1908, brought growth to the local economy by housing the aqueduct workers and introducing a steady stream of water"

Dcoffida (talk) 01:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Zip code
You forgot to post 93535 as a zip code on east side 2603:8001:1B00:4879:851:DFFB:3A2B:EE26 (talk) 08:34, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Is the flag real
Genuinely cannot seem to find it anywhere on the current Lancaster site or on archived versions, can anyone find an official reference to it anywhrre 2603:8001:2200:C200:7CED:96DB:E354:20E9 (talk) 06:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)