Talk:Lancaster, Pennsylvania/Archive 1

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The bottom line is both LA and New York consist of many small areas and so does Lancaster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.104.54.8 (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

This page is for Lancaster CITY, not Lancaster COUNTY!
There is some confusion on this page, with much information relevant to Lancaster COUNTY, and not the CITY.

Dan Kreider, Dick Winter, Jim Furyk and Brad Rutter were NOT Lancaster residents. I'm pretty certain Tom Herr never lived in Lancaster, but I left it untouched pending verification.

That is not the point. The boundaries of Lancaster were set in the 1700 and no longer a relevant to the actual cities size. Most of my family lives in Lancaster. But none of which live in the "City" Heck, there are places you are walking through a city block and are then supposedly outside of the city. Tom Herr does live in Lancaster, as much as someone living in Pasadena lives in LA or someone in the Bronx lives in NY. Mr Herr lives I believe in East Hempfield Township, while it may not be in the originally defined area of Lancaster city, all the residents mail is addressed Lancaster, there is no other town to identify with and all the citizens would call themselves from Lancaster. How they can not be considered as part of the city is beyond me. The only place where this is in question is where statistics take they exact city lines as defined in the charter and treat them as current today.Quinzy 9/18/07


 * I am probably about to reignite this debate, but I'm going to remove Floyd Landis from the Notable Residents section as he is definitely not from Lancaster nor any of its general "greater Lancaster" areas. It may be advisable that we define what exactly falls within the City of Lancaster: are we going to go by its political boundary or by areas refering to themselves as a part of this "greater Lancaster"?  My own opinion is that Lancaster City is Lancaster and the nearby towns -- however small they are -- are not a part this article.  Rather, if notable residents come from those areas, their names should be listed either on the respective town's articles or within a section on the County's article.  --Thisisbossi 20:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a encyclopedia. As such it depends on FACTUAL data. Quinzy's personal feelings as to what encompasses Lancaster, PA do not meet the requirement. Lancaster has a legal boundary. Things are either inside that boundary or they are NOT inside it. Things that are not inside the city limits should be moved to their corresponding page. If something is in Ephrata, then it belongs in the Ephrata page. How hard is that?

Manheim Auto Auctions, Masonic Homes and Ephrata Community Hospital are NOT located in Lancaster. Some of the other top-employers are also dubious but I left them on the list because they have Lancaster addresses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.57.218 (talk) 16:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Dear 63.173.203.140.
(Can I call you 63 for short?)

"Lancaster County" is indeed "Lancaster County", no two ways about it. There are many Lancaster Pennsylvania, though. Dutch Wonderland lies in the Lancaster retail trade zone. Conestoga Valley High School lies in the Lancaster Post Office service area. If you sign up for dialup internet in Lancaster, you'll probably find that your best local node is a Millersburg exchange. Advertisers look at Lancaster as the area where the Intel and New Era are the dominant newspapers.

I wasn't the one that reverted your edits. I will suggest, though, that you might want to learn about the Wikipedia community the same way you learn about USENET - by taking a good look before you dive in head first.

Although I disagree with your edits, I will concede that you have a point, in that irrelevant content hurts Wikipedia. The question here is whether it's really irrelevant.

If and when you think about contributing to a Wiki again, I will make a few suggestions:
 * Additions are much less controversial than deletions. If you delete something, you KNOW that someone else disagrees with you, because they went to the work of adding it in the first place. Additions don't automatically have anyone disagreeing with you.
 * You really want to sign your work. I know you think 63 is a really catchy name, but all it says about you is that you're from Mansfield, Ohio. An hour from now, you might be 63.173.200.128 or 63.173.207.14. My grandmother used to sign her paint-by-numbers. If you aren't willing to sign your work, the quick assumption is that you're a vandal.
 * You can build a reputation. Everybody that has an account builds a history. They can take a look at the other edits you've made, and look at whether your edits are quickly amended or if they stand up to scrutiny. If you change "The sun rises in the East" to "The sun rises in the general direction of east, moving slightly from day to day over the course of the year", and you don't post references, people are likely to think a newbie is perhaps pulling a joke. If the post is made by someone who has made 4000 edits in the last 90 days, and a random selection shows that the edits tend to survive, people are likely to think that perhaps you've stated something as fundamental as "water is wet" which everybody should know, and which doesn't require 35 pages agreeing with the claim as verification.

And if you are, indeed, gone for good, I wish you well. Collaborative writing isn't for everybody. May you find more satisfaction in your next endeavor. ClairSamoht 03:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You cant just delete large sctions of text w/o usually putting in an edit summary. Also being that yor not reistered does not help either. Would recomend that you reg for an account. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

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* 1 Title * 2 Scope * 3 Parentage * 4 Descendant WikiProjects * 5 Similar Wikiprojects * 6 Participants * 7 Structure * 8 Hierarchy Definition * 9 General strategy and discussion forum * 10 State templates * 11 References * 12 Template * 13 Body of article o 13.1 Geography o 13.2 History o 13.3 Demographics o 13.4 Economy o 13.5 Transportation o 13.6 Law and government o 13.7 Important cities and towns o 13.8 Education + 13.8.1 Colleges and universities o 13.9 Professional sports teams o 13.10 Miscellaneous topics o 13.11 See also o 13.12 References o 13.13 External links

To The Moderators: Watt & Shand building IS being demolished
The Watt & Shand building is indeed currently being demolished. The proof is right here:

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/27889

"Fair Use" quote from the above newspaper article: "The Watt & Shand building is coming down, and the cost of its replacement on Penn Square — a hotel and convention center — has gone up."

Another "Fair Use" quote from the same newspaper article: "Meanwhile, demolition crews from Reading-based Empire Wrecking have been pulling away the back of the former Watt & Shand department store by day."

Further evidence is in the photograph accompanying the above newspaper article:

http://local.lancasteronline.com/5/demolition5

http://images.lancasteronline.com/local/demolition5_ful.jpg

Note that this newspaper article will expire from public view on November 30, 2006. It is free for anyone to view until that date.

No vandalism was intended. The Watt & Shand building is indeed being demolished. The above newspaper article and photograph prove it.

Posted 16 November 2006

UPDATED December 31, 2006
I see that someone uncredited has removed the photograph of the former Watt & Shand building, and replaced it with a generic skyline shot. The tragedy is that this change was unavoidably necessary. The hollow shell of the Watt & Shand facade, supported by ugly gray scaffolding, has become a major source of shame for Lancaster - especially considering the way it was done, without accountability to the taxpayers who are forced to pay for it.

My thanks to whoever was kind enough to replace that picture, it was too much of a reminder of yet another part of Lancaster's history that has been lost forever.

Rdcarney 00:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The 1980 (1960) Redevelopment Plan
I removed the following because it seemed like the start of something interesting, but stopped at a single introductory sentence. In 1960 the city of Lancaster began a redevelopment/modernization plan that was supposed to be a 20-year long project that was to be completed by the year of 1980. I encourage anyone with knowledge of the subject to expand on this and add it back in. --Thisisbossi 16:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The "1980" plan was a nearly complete failure. Although substandard housing was removed, and most of the rest of the City brought up to code, thousands of people were permanently displaced, and much of the once-thriving and formerly historic downtown area is now a concrete wasteland where few people are seen.  My recommendation is that this failed plan not be mentioned here.


 * For an in-depth look at what really happened, I recommend a well-researched book written by an F&M professor: "A City Transformed 1940 - 1980", by David Schuyler.


 * --Rdcarney 00:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That is exactly the sort of reasoning that I believe it should be in the article. It's a facet of Lancaster's history that has apparently helped to shape what it is today; and redevelopment and urban renewal are topics that will only become more prevalent as time continues on.  Thank you for the book tip -- I will be sure to check it out sometime. --Thisisbossi 01:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Amish don't live in Lancaster CITY
The first line underneath "Economy" states "Lancaster suffers from high unemployment, especially in the southeastern quadrant, in part of Amish residents as many are unlicensed farmers". NO Amish live within the Lancaster City limits (and there are DEFINITELY no working farms within the city limits). I haven't edited the original statement, I don't know why that statement was put there in the first place.

Rdcarney 21:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "Lancaster"
Tlesher just added a fact tag to the pronunciation of Lancaster, and just as his hidden comment says: I can also personally attest to the pronunciation as being correctly described. Of course, I also know full well that this is not a valid excuse. I did a rather quick search for a verifiable source and came up empty handed. I encourage others to see what they can track down, too! I'd dearly hate to have something which is common knowledge to anyone from the area be jaded by this tag :P -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 20:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The statement currently in the article, "Locally, Lancaster is pronounced /ˈlæŋkɨstər/(LANK-ister), rather than the wider American pronunciation and the pronunciation of the city in England for which it was named /ˈlænkæstər/ (LAN-caster)," is misleading with regard to the pronunciation of the English city.

The dominant pronunciation is the same as that used by the residents of the Pennsylvania city: /ˈlæŋkɨstər/(LANK-ister) - the n nasalized, the c part of the first syllable, and all the stress on the first syllable. (Exact pronunciation of the final letter varies according to the rhoticity of the speaker's dialect, as in the US.) Also common in Britain is "LANG-CAS-ter", with near-equal stress on two syllables. This may be the majority pronunciation, but the variant with all the stress on the leading syllable is more socially "correct." "LAN-CAS-ter" - two stressed syllables, no nasalization on the n - also occurs. I have heard all three pronunciations in Lancaster, England, where I lived for three years in the 1970s. (I now live in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.) Jimgawn (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Intro
The introduction was longwinded and sloppy. In an attempt to condense it, I removed the reference to it being the 515th largest city in the US, and replaced it with its ranking in Pennsylvania (8th).

Fair use rationale for Image:CentralMarketPennSquare.JPG
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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Change in nickname, Red Rose City
Lancaster is called the Red Rose City more than sometimes. There was no point in changing it to say "sometimes called the Red Rose City." That is why the buses have Red Rose Transit Authority on them, and the seal of the city has a red rose emblem. People on the southside of the city call it Bopper City as a reference to it's street gangs. On the SouthWest 8th Ward side of Lancaster within the borderlines of Manor St. Strawberry St, Water St Park & Union st all the way up to Hershey Ave is the neighborhood that only the residents call "Glokhill" or "Triple Glok" as a reference to the route 999 on Manor St. It's also called "The other side of Hell" because of it's poverty & crime rate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.188.220 (talk • contribs) 19:53, March 2, 2008