Talk:Lance sergeant

Cadets
I removed this section to the talk page:

"In cadet contingents the use and possession of No. 2 (full) dress is very limited. As a consequence many contingents have a stock of dress with a variety of ranks, and dress is often issued by fitting size rather than rank. As a consequence, Junior Non-Commissioned Officers (JNCOs) and regular cadets may well come into the possession of dress above their rank. Rank of course is never conferred upon the cadet in these situations. An actual Sergeant wears a red sash with his dress, whilst those who aren't actually of the Sergeant rank will not wear the sash. This in effect 'makes' them Lance Sergeant to the observer, even though they are not and the rank is otherwise unrecognised in cadet contingents, with the normal ranks of Corporal and Sergeant used."

This paragraph seems very confused. Also, when I was in the CCF, Lance Sergeant was a rank which was actually used, long after it had been discontinued (outside the Foot Guards) by the Regular Army. -- Necrothesp 19:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I second that - I was RQMS of a Cadet Force Battalion at Alleyn's School in the early 1970s. We NEVER issued No 2 Dress uniform on that basis, and removing insignia stitched onto the sleeve is very easy, it simply requires a dry clean. We used the red sash to identify the Duty Sergeant, in the same way the Duty Officer is recognisable in the mess as he's the only one wearing a belt. Nor for that matter did we ever confuse rank in this manner - it smacks of dress-up, and we were far from that, one of my peers, Chris Harper currently commands NATO's Military Staff, I was s senior staffer of the Western European Union. We were very aware of the Queen Victoria attribution, which came from Eric Randall, Admin Major of the Battalion and formerly RSM of the Coldstream Guards: as Guards units are not permanently on duty at the Palace, which is rather a detachment from their main military functions, there was never any inconsistency in the way described, they simply never came to the Queen's awareness, or if they were, they were bumped up. I have therefore removed the Citation needed, as you can cite me.

Lance-Sergeant
Watching a TV programme today I am fairly certain I saw a Lance-Sergeant in the Royal Logistical Corps, so the claim that it is restricted to the Guards appears to be wrong. I came here looking for information about this rank that was new to me... Ender&#39;s Shadow Snr (talk) 02:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely not wrong. How would you spot a lance-sergeant when they wear the same rank insignia as a sergeant? -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Like the previous comment it's unlikely you'll be able to spot it visually.
 * However, a corporal who is attached to the foot guards for an extended period of time may be offered the rank of LSgt, however they would lose this rank upon being attached to a regiment outside the foot guards. 148.252.xxx.xx (talk) 08:26, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed. That's what happened to Johnson Beharry while he was attached to the Household Division in a PR role. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:52, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

18th Century reference
"When from sickness or other causes there are not in a company a sufficient number of non-commisioned officers to do the duty, the captain can appoint corporals to do the duty of serjeants, who are called lance serjeants, and private men to do the duty of corporals, who are called lance corporals." John Williamson, "The Elements of Military Arrangement" 1781

Not sure of the best way to incorporate on this page. 78.150.147.163 (talk) 13:15, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I've added it to the article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)