Talk:Lancelot-Grail

Untitled
This is an important page, but it contains inaccuracies. For example, Micha's 8 volumes do not contain the cycle of 5 romances, but only the Lancelot Proper (3rd of the 5). And Lacy's volumes, listed as critical editions, are instead translations. Njl2 11:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This does need a lot of work, sadly, over the whole spectrum. But while the NJL (hmm...:) ) translation should perhaps not be called a "scholarly edition", I'd like to note it's acceptible to use as a reference. It's the best English version I know of, and certainly the most comprehensive.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the recent Pléiade edition is the complete cycle, yet someone has seen fit to remove it from the bibliography.--208.87.248.162 (talk) 00:46, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I couln't find the edit you claimed where someone inserted wrote about the Pléiade edition. I couln't confirm that the edition has been published, just planned. I aded that much into the article. --Kiyoweap (talk) 23:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Original language
Does anyone know what language the Vulgate Cycle was originally written in? (the Post-Vulgate Cycle page mentions French; is that true for the Vulgate as well?) VisibleInk 19:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * French. I can't believe it didn't say that before, thanks for pointing it out!--Cúchullain t/ c 20:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to dredge up ancient history, but which French? Old French or Middle French (since ModFr wasn't yet in existence)? Anyone out there know? Drydic guy (talk) 15:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's Old French.--Cúchullain t/ c 18:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Summaries?
Would anyone like to try their hand at summarizing the contents of this work as well as the Post-Vulgate and Prose Tristan? Perhaps with a discussion of their sources and authorship? We could possibly split up the task if anyone is interested. I know there are some articles on JStor about the scholarship behind the cycles. Phi (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Sommer's edition
Is available on Internet Archive. In the intro, he refers to his previous work, Le Roman de Merlin, which is available on Google. In the intro to Merlin, Sommer says that the manuscripts of the Vulgate Cycle in the British Museum were previously owned by Louis Cesar de La Baume-le-Blanc, duc de la Valliere, related to Louise de la Valliere, the original of the character fictionalized in Dumas' Twenty Years After and Vicomte de Bragelonne. 100.15.138.239 (talk) 01:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I have added a section Lancelot-Grail with books.google links to the volumes.


 * Sommer's Le Roman de Merlin (1894) uses ms. Additional 10292 same as his complete cycle, and privately printed, so it's just bibliographical arcana and not that useful. --Kiyoweap (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Manuscripts online
Digital images of a number of manuscripts of the Lancelot-Grail are available online at the following locations:


 * Paris


 * The Bibliothèque Nationale de France:
 * BNF MS Français 113
 * BNF MS Français 114
 * BNF MS Français 115
 * BNF MS Français 116
 * BNF MS Français 117
 * BNF MS Français 118
 * BNF MS Français 119
 * BNF MS Français 120
 * BNF MS Français 343
 * BNF MS Français 749
 * BNF MS Français 1430
 * The Bibliothèque de l'Arsenal :
 * MS 3347
 * MS 3479
 * MS 3480
 * MS 3481
 * MS 3482


 * France, other libraries
 * Tours Bibliothèque Municipale MS 951
 * Le Mans Bibliothèque Municipale MS 354
 * Dijon Bibliothèque Municipale MS 527

Two British Library manuscripts are fully digitised:
 * London
 * British Library Royal MS 14 E III
 * British Library Royal MS 20 D IV


 * Oxford
 * Bodleian Library Digby 223
 * Bodleian Library Douce MS 178
 * Bodleian Library Douce MS 199
 * Bodleian Library Douce MS 215
 * Bodleian Library Rawlinson MS Q.b.6

For other manuscripts in the British Library collections, descriptions and images are available in the Catalogue of Illuminated Manuscripts:
 * British Library MS Egerton 2515
 * British Library MS Harley 4419
 * British Library MS Lansdowne MS 757
 * British Library MS Royal 19 B. vii
 * British Library MS Royal 19 C. xii
 * British Library MS Royal 19 C. xiii
 * British Library MS Royal 20 A. ii
 * British Library MS Royal 20 B. viii
 * British Library MS Royal 20 C. vi
 * British Library MS Royal 20 D. iii


 * Europe, other locations
 * Amsterdam, Bibliotheca Philosophica Hermetica MS 1
 * Geneva: Cologny, Fondation Martin Bodmer, MS 105 (105a, 105b, 105c, 105d)
 * Geneva: Cologny, Fondation Martin Bodmer, MS 147


 * USA
 * Berkeley, University of California MS 106
 * New Haven, Yale University MS Beinecke 229

(and many many more actually)

The Pseudo-Map Cycle
As far as I can tell, the name "Pseudo-Map Cycle" is used extensively, and only, in one work. I was sufficiently intrigued by this that I bought a copy of the book (including postage, it cost less than a pint of pub beer). Carman does not attribute the name "Pseudo-Map Cycle" to anyone else; nor explicitly explain it, though it's clear enough: the cycle, which lacks a better name, has been wrongly attributed to Walter Map. The titles of the 70-odd sources cited by Carman do not use the words "pseudo-" or "cycle", nor, I think, an equivalent in another language.

My view is that a name which has only been used in one source does not warrant a place in the lead of the article. I propose removing it, unless I'm advised otherwise. Maproom (talk) 17:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Eleanor's Nationality
"One theory identified the initiator as French queen Eleanor of Aquitaine who would have set up the project already in 1194." She would have been the English not French queen (actually the English queen dowager) at that point....for some five decades (five years as dowager), non? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:3902:B10A:B5C6:5CBC:44FB:99 (talk) 03:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

software failure
The links to the Saint-Graal and Lancelot-Graal etc. in external links require Flash which is no longer supported. They should be removed unless and until you can find copies that don't require Flash. 100.15.127.199 (talk) 20:18, 20 April 2022 (UTC)