Talk:Land reforms by country

Mao's land reforms

Just cut this out: "In 1948, Mao Zedong envisaged that "one-tenth of the peasants" (or about 50,000,000) "would have to be destroyed" to facilitate agrarian reform. "

Because the source doesn;t say that. Also the source is bullshit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.229.72 (talk) 11:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Solon's land reform in Athens
One of the earliest land reforms is due to Solon in Athens. --Erel Segal (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

History of Dynastic China's Land Reforms
This page only talks about modern China and its history of recent land reforms. Land Reforms were common place during the dynastic cycle and it might be nice to have some information about those. 74.140.57.212 (talk) 01:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Serious problems with "Summary table"
An already bad largely unsrouced article full of dubious statements gets more of the same (problems) with the addition of "Summary table". What problems? The summary table.. There is no place for wrong, duboius and unsupported content in this (already poor) article. We need to start using inline citations. Dentren |  Ta lk  19:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Lacks sources
 * 2) A check on the few land reforms I am familiar with reveals serious errors (compare table with Chilean land reform).
 * 3) Refer to ancient agrarian changes in modern terms (e.g. nationalization) without any scholarly backing

All hail Rummel, the new authority on Vietnamese Land Reform
"Probable", "democide", "Rummel". What kind of drone-speak is this? Rummel's work is has been roundly criticized and is completely beyond the pale. On the issue of Vietnam, are we are believe that Rummel, a scholar of "democide" (a made up field) is correct, and the vast majority of Vietnam scholars are completely wrong? Rummel is guilty of double counting, using dubious sources, getting facts wrong in the case of Vietnam:

"Rudolph J. Rummel, Death by Government: Genocide and Mass Murder since 1900. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction, 1994. xxiii, 496 pp. From what I have seen of it, the section dealing with Vietnam is dreadfully inaccurate. Examples from the pages dealing with the early to mid 1950s, the period of the infamous North Vietnamese land reform:

p. 246, bottom, says that in the Red River Delta "98 percent of the peasants owned the land they worked." This is incorrect; Rummel has relied on careless authors who misunderstood statistics that actually (if you trace this figure back to its original source, Yves Henry, Economie agricole de l'Indochine, p. 108) said that 98% of the people who owned land worked part or all of the land that they owned.

p. 250: "The party's Politburo believed that 95 percent of the land was owned by the wealthiest 5 percent of the people." This is absurd; the Politburo neither believed nor suggested it believed in any figure even close to this.

p. 250, just below the middle of the page, says there was a quota of five landlords to be executed per village, applied to 15,000 villages. Leave aside the question of whether there was such a quota (the source, Hoang Van Chi, is grossly unreliable). The source that claimed there was a quota of five executions per village used the word "village" to mean the administrative village, xa in Vietnamese, of which there were less than 4,000 in the area covered by the campaign. The book from which Rummel got the figure of 15,000 villages was talking about a subdivision of the xa, the natural village or hamlet.

p. 252: Rummel says that there was a rebellion in the province of Nghe An in November 1956, bloodily suppressed by the Communists. "Rebellions also broke out elsewhere. The worst of these, near Vinh, involved protests . . ." The problem with this is that Vinh was the capital of Nghe An province. An author (Douglas Pike) who didn't know where Vinh was, looked at some accounts of the Communists suppressing a rebellion in Nghe An, and some accounts of the Communists suppressing a rebellion near Vinh, and didn't realize that both sets of accounts referred to the same incident. He wrote it up as two different rebellions, one in Nghe An and the other in some unnamed province that contained the city of Vinh. Rummel borrowed his error. This is about average for the level of knowledge of the people from whom Rummel gets his information.

Another example of Rummel's habit of counting the same deaths twice: His figure (p. 253) of 360,000 for the total number of people the Communists killed in the period 1953-56 was achieved partly by counting the people killed in the land reform twice. He took Gerard Tongas' estimate of 100,000 for the people killed in the land reform, and decided it was actually a figure for the number of people killed in the rent reduction campaign, so he could add it to the estimates by other authors for the number of people killed in the land reform campaign." [1 ]

Rummel is the same guy who said that the Soviet Regime killed 60-100 million, something that is laughable to anyone who knows even a smattering of Soviet history and demographics. All you can say about Rummel is that knows how to count pretty high. To present his numbers as "probable" fact in a one sentence summary on Vietnamese Land Reform is crazy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guccisamsclub (talk • contribs) 05:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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